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Electricity/Adaptor question
« on: June 26, 2008, 04:25:26 PM »
I broke the AC adaptor for my Palm Pilot.  Input: 120 VAC, 60 Hz, 100 mA.  Output: 5.2 VDC, 500 mA.

Went to Radio Shack.  Found one with adjustable voltage output: 3, 5, 6, 6.5, and 7.5. 2000 mA.

Can I use this, or will I fry my PDA?  What's the basic theory involved?

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 04:58:26 PM »
You can supply a higher AMPERAGE no problem (up to a reasonable limit*) and the device will only draw what it wants.  Do NOT supply higher voltage than called for, this WILL fry your device.  5V should be just fine if 5.2V is desired.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 05:11:38 PM »
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 05:26:42 PM »
Also, make sure to get the tip polarity correct.  Most of the Radio Shack adapters let you select which tip polarity you want.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 06:45:23 PM »
Also, make sure to get the tip polarity correct.  Most of the Radio Shack adapters let you select which tip polarity you want.

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You will cook things much faster at reverse polarity than you will from a slight mismatch in voltage.

Furthermore, you can never have a power supply capable of supplying TOO much current. Example.

Your car battery can supply 500Amps or more easily. If you hook up a 12v accessory that is rated for 100mA directly to your battery, you will have no problems.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 06:47:37 PM »
It really depends on the device, and I don't know a lot about palm pilots. The 5.2V spec scares me though... it's too precise. Some wall wart adapters have voltage regulators that provide exact voltage: in my mind if you spec 5.2V you want a regulated voltage.
The Radio Shack multi-voltage ones (and most wall warts, really) are unregulated. The voltage rating is accurate but you have to understand what it is saying. If it says 6VDC 2000mA, then at 2A (2000 mA) it will be close to 6V. BUT!!! with no load, or 200mA, or anything below 2000mA, the voltage will be higher. At low load it will be a LOT higher, 6V units are often 12V at no load and I've seen higher.
A regulated 6V supply will put out 6V from no load up to full rated power.
I would open the original broken power supply. If all you see is a transformer and rectifer bridge then it's unregulated and the Radio Shack one will be fine. This is how theirs work, the transformer has a multi-tap secondary and the voltage selector slide switch just selects different voltage taps.
If you see a bunch of electronic parts in the original supply it's probably a regulated supply - I would avoid the cheapo unregulated supply. You could easily fry the palm pilot. AT the least, I would put a meter on the power supply output, select the lowest voltage, and plug in your pilot. Then turn the supply up one notch at a time until you get as close to 5.2V but not too much above it as you can. This could still be risky: the pilot supply may have some intelligent battery charging built in.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 06:58:21 PM »
Oh yeah, listen to him too! But for what it's worth, I always assumed the Radio Shack supplies were regulated and not just a multi-tap transformer. Obviously I may have been mistaken all these years.

EDIT: I took a look through some spec-sheets and it seems like it really depends on which one you get. Some are spec'd to a voltage with +-5% from 0-full load. Which indicates a fully regulated design. Others have a 4.5-7.2v range, which indicats non-regulated to me. Also the x.xV @ xxxmA kinda shows this. Where a rating of x.xV, xxxmA MAX would make me lean towards regulated...

So, looks like as usual, it's more complicated than it first appears.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 07:03:06 PM by bradweingartner »

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 07:25:19 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, 5.2V is what a USB power supply gives.  Check out the USB adapters that Radio Shark sells.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 08:17:14 PM »
USB is 5v nominal I believe. 5.2v kinda makes me think there is a reverse-polarity diode on the palm and they make up for the 0.2v drop accross the diode by bumping supply voltage a hair...

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 09:05:55 PM »
Now, y'all have completely lost me!  ???
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 06:36:18 AM »
Some PPs will charge through the USB.  What model is it?
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 08:45:58 AM »
Some PPs will charge through the USB.  What model is it?

Zire 72.  Separate charge port next to the USB port.
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »
That's the one I have.  It's getting old, I'd love to replace it.  But they don't make one like it anymore.  I don't think the stock charger is regulated.  I just put a meter on my charger and it read 5.6v.
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 11:56:58 AM »
It has served me quite well.  I have all my medical software in it.  Keep it in an aluminum neoprene-lined case.  Have dropped it out of aircraft on the ground, and ambulances, and it just hangs in there.  And it is slim, so it fits easily in a pocket.  Not very good for sound media is all.  So I got a little iPod.
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 02:00:08 PM »
I would not agree.  The little speakers sound pretty good for what they are, and if you get a big enough memory card, it carries a decent amount.  Granted, not as much as an Ipod, but enough for me.  It also sounds good feeding my car Sony.
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 02:24:22 PM »
I found that using the sound media ate up the battery quickly.  I need the Zire for work, so I didn't want to run it down unnecessarily.  Also, mine happens to half a loose headphone jack.  Had to fiddle with it each time I used it.  The iPod works much better in every respect, is so small that I don't notice the extra bit in my flight suit, and it spares the battery on my Palm.
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 02:59:10 PM »
Medic09,

This is not the first time I've had this thought, so here goes:

I look at your name, and I listen to you casually mention things from time to time about what your typical work day is like and I just wanted to say,

Thank you for doing what you do.

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 07:10:58 PM »
You say you "broke" the power supply.  Can you give more details?  Is the plug fubar or did it get smashed or something?  I've replace just the plug before on those things and I've even replaced entire cords on them with some success when you can't readily find a replacement.  Do you think it can be repaired?

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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2008, 09:19:16 PM »
mystic...aw shucks.  (we need a smiley of embarrassed guy, head ducked and scuffing foot on floor.)  I'm just blessed to be able to do the job.  There are lots of fine folks out there doing it.  But thanks.  Really.  I'm glad what we do counts and contributes.

Steve, the Radio Shack unit seems to be working fine, so I'm okay.  I broke the end that goes into the device.  Got bent a few too many times.  I thought about splicing a new plug onto it, don't know why I didn't.  Ah well...
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Re: Electricity/Adaptor question
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2008, 09:44:11 PM »
What's a "palm pilot"? sounds like a sex aid