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        It occured to me that when Needed, The Bounty Hunter Thread Popped up! Well, I'm needing to find out some info about my brother and his wife. Everything that I've checked into, cost something and I'm wanting to see just where would be the best to look and, if I have to pay, I want to get what I need, for that money. So, any input here or in a PM. 

                                       Later on, Bill ;) 
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try http://criminalsearches.com/default.aspx if this is the kind of info ya need.

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try http://criminalsearches.com/default.aspx if this is the kind of info ya need.


          Hey fuzzy, I appreciate the link. Nothing turned up there for either of them, but I don't know her maiden name. She was supposed to be a nurse at one time and I'm not so sure about that. ::) Seems like she would still be doing that, if she were a nurse in Good standing. I'm needing to see the martial status (w/details) and to find out if there has been any sort of papers filed that pertain to anything like a "Power of Attorney" or such as that. I'm not up on the legal paperwork that could have been signed by my Dad (when he wasn't really aware of what was going on). You see, one thing I'm concerned about is that my brother's wife is supposed to have  a "power of attorney" for if and when my Dad can't take care of his own business. He doesn't think that he has signed anything, but I'm not so sure. Dad says that when they go to a Doctor's Appointment, he never gets to see the Doctor alone and the Doctor doesn't discuss anything with him. Now, if there is nothing signed by him (giving them the reason to be there), the Doctor should NOT be discussing his medical situation with them, UNLESS he has approved it! Somehow, I HAVE to find out if there is anything that's been done by them, that I don't know about. So, anything that any of you can clue me in to, My Dad and I would certainly appreciate it. ;)     
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your local magistrates office may be able to help you with that bill. good luck

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If it is a power of attorney you are concerned about, you can have a new one drawn. The new one supercedes the prior. There is a very well known NY lawyer that videotapes prenuptiuals and other agreements that may come into dispute. He  never had one overturned since the tape proves that the parties knew what they were doing and were in agreement at that time. In your Dad's case it proves he was competent to understand what he was doing and was in full agreement with it.   
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If it is a power of attorney you are concerned about, you can have a new one drawn. The new one supercedes the prior. There is a very well known NY lawyer that videotapes prenuptiuals and other agreements that may come into dispute. He  never had one overturned since the tape proves that the parties knew what they were doing and were in agreement at that time. In your Dad's case it proves he was competent to understand what he was doing and was in full agreement with it.   

           Thanks for that Bobby. Didn't realize that it was that easy to supercede one. I have been telling my Dad that I'm concerned that he may have been talked into signing something that might give them control, if he can no longer take care of his business. His bank account is set up with him or me and his CDs are setup with him being the owner and me as being the coowner. Any one know if that would be sufficient or not? I hadn't thought of it til now, but I think I'm going to talk to him about having the House and his Minivan ownership changed to me or him also. This brings up a major question:

           If everything was setup in the names of My Dad OR Me, would a will or anything else have ANY effect on things, IF there was still one of us living? I'm guessing that I'd still need a "Power Of Attorney, but I don't know. ???
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A lot of those questions can only be answered by someone familiar with those laws in your state.  for instance in some states if one person on a checking account dies, they freeze the whole account.  In Texas we have "right of survivorship" so if one person dies the "co-owner" gets it all. 
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and you said it properly when you say my dad or me
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If it is a power of attorney you are concerned about, you can have a new one drawn. The new one supercedes the prior. There is a very well known NY lawyer that videotapes prenuptiuals and other agreements that may come into dispute. He  never had one overturned since the tape proves that the parties knew what they were doing and were in agreement at that time. In your Dad's case it proves he was competent to understand what he was doing and was in full agreement with it.   

Is the lawyers first name Dominic?  And is he quite fat?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A lot of those questions can only be answered by someone familiar with those laws in your state.  for instance in some states if one person on a checking account dies, they freeze the whole account.  In Texas we have "right of survivorship" so if one person dies the "co-owner" gets it all. 

        I just happened to remember that there was a Major in the Army Reserve Unit my Dad and I were in at Little Rock and found that he's retired as a Col. and , also that he joined an old and large Law Firm back in 1965. Checked online last night and found that he was sill there and had quite a history along with a pretty good reputation. I sent him an email because my Dad and I knew him personally, so I contacted him by email as a start and found out that he'd been out of the office until today. Hoping to get an answer back soon. I put just enough in there to establish a starting point to go with. I'm going back down tomorrow to do some more towards getting things straight. Still leaning toward going down there for a few days before long.

             During last night's discussion, he said that if he ever were to have to go to a nursing home, the one close by was pretty good and all, but he DID NOT want to go there because David wouldn't be far away! He knows that he doesn't want to be any where near him in that situation. He's just totally sick and tired of the way that they have handled this and the way that they treat him. Plain and Simple!

                                 
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Sorry to hear about your troubles, Bill.

I think you're on the right track, but if you need me to do any digging, let me know.

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You whole situation really turns my stomach.  I hope you are able to get a handle on things, and quickly!  It can go from bad to horrible in short order.  I know someone that was completely raped by their POA.  He stole his house, car, property in the Bahamas, savings, everything!  What makes it so bad is he did it "legally."

Keep us posted.

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If it is a power of attorney you are concerned about, you can have a new one drawn. The new one supercedes the prior. There is a very well known NY lawyer that videotapes prenuptiuals and other agreements that may come into dispute. He  never had one overturned since the tape proves that the parties knew what they were doing and were in agreement at that time. In your Dad's case it proves he was competent to understand what he was doing and was in full agreement with it.   

Is the lawyers first name Dominic?  And is he quite fat?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes exactly. A friend of mine used him on a personal injury case before he was so famous. The guy is an animal and got him everything he asked for.

Back on point. As was suggested you need an Attorney that is familiar with Ark law. The point is anything can be challenged, a good lawyer sets things up in a way there will be a good defense in the event of a challenge. If this Lawyer will help you out that would be ideal.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles, Bill.

I think you're on the right track, but if you need me to do any digging, let me know.



         okie OPPS (I got my Oklahoma folks mixed up. I meant to say) firecracker, that's where I am now. I'm looking for ANY info that will help me, in this situation. I want to find out ANYTHING I can about my brother's wife, bu don't know what her last name was before she and my brother "supposedly" got married. I've got to make sure that, if there IS a Power Of Attorney, we get a NEW one made that will supercede theirs and make sure they don't have ANYTHING signed by my Dad, that would give them any kind of control. To put it mildly, "My brother has cooked his goose with my Dad and now it's getting well done to the point of burning it! PM me, if you've got some ideas, okay? ;)   


           okie & firecracker, sorry bout that, I kinda got you all mixed up in my head. Sure am glad that you both are Oklahomans or else I might have been in trouble. :-[
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You whole situation really turns my stomach.  I hope you are able to get a handle on things, and quickly!  It can go from bad to horrible in short order.  I know someone that was completely raped by their POA.  He stole his house, car, property in the Bahamas, savings, everything!  What makes it so bad is he did it "legally."

Keep us posted.

          You know, there was a time that I would have never thought that we would be going through this. :(   Hope you all don't mind if I put a bit of history on this, to show where we went from and have been, to get to this point.        When my Mom was pregnant with my brother, they couldn't agree on a name and, as a last resort, my Dad said, "let's see what Bill can come up with." Well, after some thought, I said," what about David (my best friend's name was David. I was 10years old then) and Lee as a middle name (I always thought alot of General Robert E. Lee, even back then) and, there it is, David Lee Van Pelt. In his younger years, I did alot with him and took him lots of places. When he turned 13, he started changing (Mom and Dad said, he's just going through a stage and then he'll grow out of it. Well, he never did, it just progressively got worse and worse. I went into the USAF in 66' and when I came home, he was still changing, then I got married, he was still changing and as time went on, we got farther and farther apart. At one point in my Army Reserve Career, I transfered to the unit that my Dad was in and within a couple of years, my brother joined the reserves and was in the same unit. It seemed like things were going to be bearable until  the Motor Sgt was getting out of the unit. I was getting ready to go to Fort Belvoir VA through my Civil Service job and take a course on Power Generation (about a 3 and 1/2 month course) and was supposed to take over the Motor Sgt position when I returned. Well, while I was gone, my brother started working on doing me in and getting the slot for himself. He sure was mad, when I returned and took over the Motor Sgt slot! Then, about a couple of years later, the Motor Officer was moving up in positions and was vacating his slot. I got wind that my brother was at it again. This time, he had been trying to get a guy into the Motor Officer's slot, so that he could worm his way into the Motor Sgt slot. His plan fell through with that guy and he started working on another one for the job. When I realized what he was up to, I found the present Motor Officer out in the Motor Pool lot and asked him "Who has the say about who is to be the next Motor Officer and he said, YOU have alot to say about it." I then asked about a newly commissioned officer that had seen working with us for awhile and he said that David had said that the guy didn't want it. I asked him to wait right there, I went into  our maint. office, asked the Lt if he wanted the job, he said he would like to give it a shot, I told him to wait right there, I went out to the Motor Officer and told him that the Lt wanted the job and where he was. That Lt was a Capt and still in the Motor Officer's slot when I transfered out. Needless to say, my brother was not happy and transfered out right after his last efforts failed. Believe it or not, we ended up in another Unit together. He was the Motor Sgt and I became a Platoon Sgt, until the motor pool flunked and IG inspection Big Time. Next thing I knew, the Company Commander and the Motor Officer went through the records and found that I was the most qualified one in the unit and I was appointed the New Motor Sgt.! Wasn't long after that, that my brother left the Army Reserves for good. He had nearly 15 yrs towards a retirement and threw it away. Oh, I almost forgot (don't know how I could), I was is a pretty good tight, financially and my brother bought a package deal from a buddy of ours ( a 75' GMC Sprint and a 74' Dodge Royal Monaco (ex Stat Police car) and sold me the Dodge with "Pay me what you can, as you can deal." So, we were paying on it pretty regularly, my brother was going to get married, my wife says that she thinks we can give him 2 payments for that month and help them out. Next thing I know, I get a letter from my brother telling me that if I don't get off of my ___ and pay the car off, he's going to be taking me to court! Needless to say, I was MAD and hurt at the same time. I made sure that my Mom and Dad saw that letter, they couldn't believe it. Things haven't been the same since then )the Last Straw!!!!!!!

                 Hope I haven't irritated anyone by taking so much time with this, I've been needing to tell this and try to get it out of my system for some time now. 


                                  Thank You for indulging me,  Bill         
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Thanks for sharing Bill.  Hope that helped you release a bit of frustration.

That's the problem with family.  No matter what they do, they're still family.

I'll PM you with some questions...
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Thanks for sharing Bill.  Hope that helped you release a bit of frustration.

That's the problem with family.  No matter what they do, they're still family.

I'll PM you with some questions...

          Sometimes, I get started talking about them and next thing I know, th words just spill out! ::)

          Got your PM and will be right with you. :)
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I've been out of town, and even though I had a connection and computer, I had little time to get on.  I'm back now and wow.  I can hardly believe the s with your brother!  I'll wait a little before I start with any questions.  I am, however curious about the question of their marriage.
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Im almost wondering if it isnt the wife pulling the strings.....my roommates brother changed after he started dating this one girl then eventually marrying her and she has tried to worm her way into taking the house from my roommates parents (aka my landlords)
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From what I've read in this thread and the other one, it sounds like it started when he turned 13 or so.
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I've been out of town, and even though I had a connection and computer, I had little time to get on.  I'm back now and wow.  I can hardly believe the s with your brother!  I'll wait a little before I start with any questions.  I am, however curious about the question of their marriage.

           Well, we're (my Dad and I) are wondering if they really are married. You see, they lived together for several years and one day said they were married. Maybe, maybe not. ::)  If my Mom would have been alive, when they started living together, she would have had them evicted from that house immediately, if not before! After all, it was in Mom & Dad's name and still is in my Dad's name! And BTW, I haven't told about all the things my brother has pulled (or, at least, attempted to pull). ::)   
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Im almost wondering if it isnt the wife pulling the strings.....my roommates brother changed after he started dating this one girl then eventually marrying her and she has tried to worm her way into taking the house from my roommates parents (aka my landlords)

       Naw Chris, I promise you that it's a Joint Effort! He was already full of himself and thought that he was IT!!!  And I wholeheartedly agree, he IS IT!! I'm just not sure what THAT IS!!!!! ;D
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From what I've read in this thread and the other one, it sounds like it started when he turned 13 or so.

          Yep, that's when he started changing and he's been changing ever since. I don't know if he'll ever come to the realization of how h SHOULD act or not! For years, he's been so full of himself, it has been hard for me to be around for very long at all. And now, I don't even want to bee around him period! I HATE what he's trying to do to Dad and also IS doing to our family.
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       Gotta tell you all, we went up to Fort Smith this evening for supper at a Mexican food Resteraunt and also to hear a friend and the band he plays with. All went well, we ate, we got full of good food, enjoyed the food (not badly priced either), we came home around 8:00 (give or take) and I went out in the back yard, settled into a lawn chair and called my Dad, like I usually do. Was going to check on how the day went and the appointment also. I got the answering machine all 3 times (I called back to back because sometimes he doesn't hear the phone soon enough and by the time he gets there, I'm gone. Well, then I called his cell phone because he HAS had home phone problems now and then. I got the "Unavailable" on that one. :-\ I ALMOST called my brother's wife to see if something was up. Fortunately, I went back in the house, my wife knew something was up and asked me what it was. When I told her, she said,"He's probably at Church, it's Wednesday night!" .........
...................A BIG DUH ME!!!!!!!!!!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)

            Boy, was I relieved! So, I'm going back out and call him in a bit (about 9PM)

            Also, for everyone. I had emailed a former member and also Commander of the Army Reserve Unit (now a retired Col.) who is in a large old Law Firm in Little Rock, for some advice and guidance. Well, he had been out of the office for a few days and tonight, when I went online to check emails and to see what was happening here, I had 2 emails from him (actually, 1 was an automated one that said he was still out of the office and would be back the 24th. Now, apparently he checked his emails or something, because the 2nd email said, "I am in mediation now, but call me tomorrow." (We don't have a happy face that reflects ESTATIC!   

          Don't worry, I'll be updating soon as I know something.  ;)

          Gotta go for now and call my Dad.
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I'm real interested in what he has to say.

          Well, I just got off of the phone with my Dad. Things went pretty well at the appointment, there were some questions with some of the renal ultrasound, but he didn't know what the concerns were though. The were supposed to review the results and get back with them in a couple of days. He had gotten back and had gone to Church, being it is Wednesday. We had different things going this evening and I completely forgot about Church. ::) We had a good talk and I got an idea while on the phone with him and I'll check it out first, before I mention it to him. You see, the "Special Needs" young man who lives with us, has wanted to go to Disney World since forever. My wife promised him that , when he graduated, we would get him there. Now, since he's been living with us, his SSI check has been going to the finance section of the place we work for and he's been building an account (before, his mother had been getting his check before and spending it on whatever she wanted to and he had NO money of his own. Anyway, he will be able to pay his own way (thank God!) and his friend since kindergarten is going (paying HIS own way also), myself and another worker will also be going. I'll be paying my way, so my part won't be as big a chunk as it could be. ::) To be honest about it, I wasn't all THAT wanting to go. Now, it occurred to me that we'd have room in the van for my Dad to go, IF HE WANTS TO and then the 2 of us could spend time together and see some other sights while the other worker and the 2 boys could do their thing. I've got to talk to the other worker to get his take on it and then, I'll put it out to my Dad to see if he'd like to do that. We expect to be gone for 3-5 days total and my Dad would not have a problem paying his own way either. If I could afford to pay the whole thing, I would but, we're going to be able to do this because everyone IS paying their own way. If my Dad will go, it sure would be easy to get some quality time together and might just help him to kick this thing into high gear and get things settled once and for all. ;)       
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When you go, and you do the monorail, hang out where the front comes to a stop.  You can ask and most of the time, they'll let you sit in the cab with the driver.  The boys(all 4 of you) will get a kick out of that!  I never got to go until I had kids of my own, and it has been a while.  I think they were 7 and 12(now 22 and 27), so it has been a long while.
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When you go, and you do the monorail, hang out where the front comes to a stop.  You can ask and most of the time, they'll let you sit in the cab with the driver.  The boys(all 4 of you) will get a kick out of that!  I never got to go until I had kids of my own, and it has been a while.  I think they were 7 and 12(now 22 and 27), so it has been a long while.

               Yeah, I'd say that it has been awhile since you've been. :D

       I've been once, but it was in 1966 and so you know it HAD to be Disneyland, cause Disneyworld wasn't even in existence back then. ::)  I went with my parents when I was 18 and just before I reported to Amarillo AFB in Texas to begin my Basic Training. :D   
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i reckon you better get busy working on your dad about this, it will probably do the both of you the world of good to spend some time together and just relax.
From what i`ve read in this thread and your other one i dont think either of you have done too much relaxing in quite a while.
Have a blast mate and enjoy yourselves, let the worrying wait for another time.
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i reckon you better get busy working on your dad about this, it will probably do the both of you the world of good to spend some time together and just relax.
From what i`ve read in this thread and your other one i dont think either of you have done too much relaxing in quite a while.
Have a blast mate and enjoy yourselves, let the worrying wait for another time.
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          Yeah, I've got to get on the stick and see if I can get him to go with us. I need to check out Orlando and also places along the way out there, to see what I can find that would be of interest to him (shouldn't be hard, his interests are about the same as mine). It would really be nice to be able to get this mess taken care of before the trip and have it be a CELEBRATION! Ah, but I don't see that happening though. I'm trying not to push my Dad too hard, but I am trying to get him to realize that the sooner he gets things straight, the sooner he can start living his life in a more relaxed way. ;)
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      Well, looks like getting my Dad to go on that trip to Orlando, is out. He says that there are too many things that he needs to take care of. Maybe, me asking him about doing that trip has kinda jogged him a bit and he'll be more into getting this thing wrapped up and finished. I then told him that I wasn't sure where right off, but I really wanted to get him out and take him somewhere (just the 2 of us) and he agreed that that would be nice. ;) There is a really cool Aquarium over at Jenks, Oklahoma (I've been there already) and maybe that could be a starting place. If I get wind of a car show around her (that I didn't know about) I'm going for that with him.

If I can get him to go to that attorney that he and I both know, I feel like he will see that this has to be done and the sooner, the better. ;) 

This may seem a bit "mushy", but I've got something that I might not should even bring up, if you think I should not have, just ignore it. Here goes:  My family has never been the type where the men of the family would show emotion and I NEVER heard mt Granddad or my Dad say the words, "I Love You". Well, about a week ago (or so), I started ending the conversation with, "I Love You Dad" and he responded that he loved me too. And I've started giving him a hug as I get ready to leave his place. I can not tell you how this makes me feel. He just seemed like he needed that and, after I started doing those 2 things, I realized that I needed them too!

        That's it, I'm gone. I'm really tired and I'm not sure, but I think I just embarrassed myself.   
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Perhaps it just gave both of you reassurance that there is at least some hope in this mess...
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Perhaps it just gave both of you reassurance that there is at least some hope in this mess...

       
            Probably got a good point there Chris. ;)
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This may seem a bit "mushy", but I've got something that I might not should even bring up, if you think I should not have, just ignore it. Here goes:  My family has never been the type where the men of the family would show emotion and I NEVER heard mt Granddad or my Dad say the words, "I Love You". Well, about a week ago (or so), I started ending the conversation with, "I Love You Dad" and he responded that he loved me too. And I've started giving him a hug as I get ready to leave his place. I can not tell you how this makes me feel. He just seemed like he needed that and, after I started doing those 2 things, I realized that I needed them too!

        That's it, I'm gone. I'm really tired and I'm not sure, but I think I just embarrassed myself.   

Dude,  my family is the same way.  It wasn't until i was in Iraq that my dad said "I love you" on the phone with me.  We just aren't the touchy-feely type.
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   I'm not sure, but I think I just embarrassed myself.  

I doubt that.  I don't see how saying what you feel, regardless of what others might think is embarrassing.  And you didn't have to tell us about, but you did.  That take's extra large brass ones!
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This may seem a bit "mushy", but I've got something that I might not should even bring up, if you think I should not have, just ignore it. Here goes:  My family has never been the type where the men of the family would show emotion and I NEVER heard mt Granddad or my Dad say the words, "I Love You". Well, about a week ago (or so), I started ending the conversation with, "I Love You Dad" and he responded that he loved me too. And I've started giving him a hug as I get ready to leave his place. I can not tell you how this makes me feel. He just seemed like he needed that and, after I started doing those 2 things, I realized that I needed them too!

        That's it, I'm gone. I'm really tired and I'm not sure, but I think I just embarrassed myself.   

Dude,  my family is the same way.  It wasn't until i was in Iraq that my dad said "I love you" on the phone with me.  We just aren't the touchy-feely type.

          Yeah, The guys in my family weren't the "touchy-feely" type either. I don't know exactly how to explain it but, one day (as I was getting ready to leave), he just looked like he needed something and that's when we started it. Afterwards, I could quickly tell that that was it. ;)   
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Ya gotta remember Bill that in the society that we live in and have lived in for many decades is was not a very acceptable trem for the "men" to show feelings, just like the old saying I remember personally about children being seen and not heard. It is a major mile stone for a man and his family to make it to that level of compassion to show feelings for each other, believe me in the last two years I lost 2 grandfathers a grand mother and a uncle and I saw the ol' patrick clan that stayed separated for most of my life finally come together, and also saw my immedate family (my mothers side and her sister my aunts side) split because of things like power of attorney and the final will. I just backed away on that fire and watched family members show colors I didn't know they had, take care.
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