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Offline De La Nooch

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Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« on: August 01, 2008, 12:45:02 PM »
Would I be able to use a tool like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92699 to measure the fuel pressure in the line coming from the tank?  I see a fitting in there that I could use with some spare hose to tap directly into the petcock and simulate normal fuel flow.

Thanks for any advice. Not quite as techinically inclined as I wish I was... :)
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 12:48:13 PM »
Unless you're using a fuel pump of some kind, there is no pressure on an SOHC/4 (gravity feed).

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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 01:02:17 PM »
I understand that it is gravity fed, but isn't there still some pressure in the lines?

Doesn't gravity combined with a large amount of fuel in a large tank going into a small outlet create pressure?
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 01:26:42 PM »
the amount of pressure is insignificant. listen to steve: it's gravity fed.

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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 01:31:04 PM »
Once again, I understand that it is a gravity-feed system.

But what you are saying is that there is absolutely no pressure, as in 0.0 PSI, in the fuel lines? Seems hard to believe...
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 01:39:14 PM »
Of couse there is some pressure in the lines due to gravity. Also the level of the tank would effect presssure at the petcock opening. If you are equating flow to pressure, you would be better off with a measuring cup and a watch to do that.
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 01:52:41 PM »
There IS a measureable pressure in the fuel lines.  It is very small.  You can make far more pressure (or vacuum) with your mouth, btw.

The pressure calculation requires knowing the cross sectional area of the oultet (lets assume the tubing inner diameter), and then extending that area up to the surface of the fluid, forming a column.  The weight of the volume inside that column is the head pressure.

For most of our SOHC fours, you can simulate this head pressure with a simple drinking straw, the same height as the distance from carb inlet valve to the fuel top surface (maybe a Foot?), and filling it with water.  Note that pressure at the bottom outlet of the straw reduces to zero as the fluid level in the straw reduces.  We're talking grams weight here, in the 5-10 range.  I estimated a 50 gram force per centimeter input to a converter, and got 0.71 PSI.  This would be with a full tank of gas.  The number would get smaller as the tank empties.

To answer the original question, no, the Harbor freight tool isn't going to be very helpfull in measuring carb fuel line pressures.

Another thing to observe, is the cab needle valve spring strength.  Pretty tiny and easy to compress, yet it is more than enough needed to stop a full tank of gas from entering the carb.

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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 03:29:08 PM »
Why is knowing this important? Just curious.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2008, 03:48:25 PM »
Why is knowing this important? Just curious.

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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2008, 05:13:22 PM »
Why is knowing this important? Just curious.

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I actually directed it to the original post about wanting to measure the pressure. I could have been a little clearer.
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 05:35:14 PM »
I think he was trying to determine flow rate.
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 08:34:39 PM »
Damn, Lloyd, I remember studying this stuff back in the early 60's.  How in the hell do you remember it?
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 08:58:25 PM »
Damn, Lloyd, I remember studying this stuff back in the early 60's.  How in the hell do you remember it?
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Re: Measuring Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2008, 04:21:44 AM »
Thank you all, especially TwoTired, for the replies. This is exactly the type of information I was looking for.  ;D

Why is knowing this important? Just curious.

I am toying around with ideas for a project/experiment on the bike. This was just a curiosity that was raised.
-Jordan
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