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Offline Polocoste

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Solved: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« on: September 07, 2011, 02:42:58 PM »
Hello, I went to take my driving exam today. When the instructor was giving the bike the once over he saw that the break light does not come on when the front break is engaged, although it works fine with the rear break. Long story short, I was not allowed to take the test as my bike was deemed not road worthy. I am a noob at wiring but was hoping someone would be able to give me a starting point to begin my investigation (separate fuse for front and rear?). Thanks
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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 02:55:35 PM »
Are you sure the wires are connected to the pressure switch?
Bad pressure switch?
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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 03:08:00 PM »
The front brake switch is operated by the hydraulic pressure in the brake line.  If you follow the brake line from the master cylinder down toward the brake caliper, you'll find that it goes to a junction block bolted to the bottom triple clamp.  The upper brake hose (from the master cylinder), the lower brake hose (to the caliper), and the brake switch are all attached to this junction block.  Once you find the block, the switch itself is pretty obvious (it's the only thing that isn't a brake hose).

Before you start mucking with wires, check one easy thing first:  pump the front brake up 5 or 6 times and then give it a real hard squeeze.  Did the brake light come on?  Since the switch works on hydraulic pressure, you have to be sure there is sufficient pressure to trip it.  If your brakes are spongy, a light squeeze on the lever may not be enough (this is the voice of experience talking).  If that's the case, you may need to service the front brakes.

If that doesn't do it, you'll have to start troubleshooting the wiring.  The switch should have two wires coming off of it and going into the headlight bucket.  Make sure those wires are firmly attached to the switch.  If they are, you need to make sure the wires inside the headlight bucket are connected to the rest of the harness.  You'll have to remove the headlight bulb and identify the wires from the switch and make sure they are firmly connected to the harness.

If all of that checks out, it's probably the switch itself.  If you have a multimeter (for measuring voltage, resistance, etc.) you can check the switch by unplugging the wires from it and connecting the leads from the multimeter.  When the lever is pulled all the way in, the meter should show battery voltage, 12 volts or so.

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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 03:43:15 PM »
The front brake switch is operated by the hydraulic pressure in the brake line.  If you follow the brake line from the master cylinder down toward the brake caliper, you'll find that it goes to a junction block bolted to the bottom triple clamp.  The upper brake hose (from the master cylinder), the lower brake hose (to the caliper), and the brake switch are all attached to this junction block.  Once you find the block, the switch itself is pretty obvious (it's the only thing that isn't a brake hose).

Before you start mucking with wires, check one easy thing first:  pump the front brake up 5 or 6 times and then give it a real hard squeeze.  Did the brake light come on?  Since the switch works on hydraulic pressure, you have to be sure there is sufficient pressure to trip it.  If your brakes are spongy, a light squeeze on the lever may not be enough (this is the voice of experience talking).  If that's the case, you may need to service the front brakes.

If that doesn't do it, you'll have to start troubleshooting the wiring.  The switch should have two wires coming off of it and going into the headlight bucket.  Make sure those wires are firmly attached to the switch.  If they are, you need to make sure the wires inside the headlight bucket are connected to the rest of the harness.  You'll have to remove the headlight bulb and identify the wires from the switch and make sure they are firmly connected to the harness.

If all of that checks out, it's probably the switch itself.  If you have a multimeter (for measuring voltage, resistance, etc.) you can check the switch by unplugging the wires from it and connecting the leads from the multimeter.  When the lever is pulled all the way in, the meter should show battery voltage, 12 volts or so.

Welcome to the forum and let us know how it goes,
~john

I did the squeeze test, no light. The front brake seems to do its job fine, no sponginess. I will try tracing the wires and delve into the headlight bucket. Thanks very much for the help so far.


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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 04:28:01 AM »
Jumper the two wires at the pressure switch. If the brake light comes on, you have a dead switch. If not, you have a wiring problem. The bullet connectors are the likely culprits in wiring issues.
Older bikes had no front brake switch, so they can't be illegal. It may be a case where an originally equipped bike has to have it working?

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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 06:25:40 AM »
When I first got my bike I had the same issue. Pulled the two wires off the pressure switch, cleaned the contacts good on the connectors and the switch, reinstalled and it worked. Hope your fix is this simple.
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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 07:50:31 AM »
What year did they start with the front brake triggering the brake light?  I'm a newb... Mine doesn't trigger it, but thought that's how it was on these old bikes. ;)
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Re: Break Light, Works With Rear But Not Front - Honda CB550 K
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 06:26:51 PM »
When I first got my bike I had the same issue. Pulled the two wires off the pressure switch, cleaned the contacts good on the connectors and the switch, reinstalled and it worked. Hope your fix is this simple.

Haha, this did the trick!!! Thanks everyone for the help. Learned something new about my bike too. Now I just need to re-book my driving exam.