Well lets see, you are going to do a test, how is that going to be more accurate? I mean sawing a can in half is not the most scientific. Even when pulled apart, there will be damage done somewhere on the filters.
As for other products, if engines start to die from filter failure, with the cost of repair, you can bet it would have happened. There would have been some news on it. So you look at only filter price, I look at the results of the filter damage. Lawsuit for sure if it was happening.
Oh the center oring which gets squashed also? The ring which gets installed tightly on the filter bolt? Yeah I fail to see how that will cause an issue when it gets squashed into its space.
I had a honda that died in record time. Clearly EVERY manufacturer can have a bad product. NO manufacturer has a 100% record. My heating control is a honeywell. Never a problem.
Honda does not outsource? Really? So every component is made by them? Even points that have a different name on them? Oh wait, that is outsourced. So clearly THEY DO outsource.
Also, just cause it is thinner, that automatically means it is cheaper? Sorry but even that does not hold up. You could 2 exhaust pipes with different weights and it is very common that the lighter one is as good and sometimes better than the heavier one. So weight means NOTHING.
Again, that guy still cause damage to the filters as he took them apart thus negating his findings as neither filter will truly show its quality once it has been damaged. Something WILL get damaged as the filters need to be pulled apart against the glue. Need proof? Glue a piece of paper and then try to open it. Paper rips doesnt it. Even if it is cardboard.
As for old timers, sorry but some are good but most are only passable and thats it. Many of them get their "knowledge" from others which may also be wrong. So if their source is wrong, then they will be wrong even though they might sound right.
Of course, call my skills into question all you want. My bike is safe and it runs good. What more is needed?
Yes not every filter fails but again, not every filter is 100%. So even the best filter in the world can die even YOUR favorite filter. Besides, how do YOU know your filter is not substandard? Cause some guy said it was good or because it has worked for you?
So you have gathered evidence? How? You show one lousy site and quote sayings from other mechanics. I can do the same thing. If you searched back on this very subject, you would see that. You would also see that others ON THIS SITE have had good luck with fram. I suppose, just like me, their skills stink though right?
So you have a big, bad degree. wow you are an expert. How do you KNOW you yourself are not falling for the same thing you accuse me of. I will have to call you an a$$hat though for your comment. Nice way to sidestep by using a republican style attack. Do you write for mccain? I PERSONALLY know a woman with a degree in psychology, she is a counselor in a school yet cant control her kids for crap. Clearly a degree does NOT make you an expert. It also does not make you qualified to say I am recommending an inferior product as you have NO factual proof it is inferior. Try again there.
Also, you got your parting line wrong It is "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." As for those sites, like I said, they are not experts and how do we know that they are NOT biased? Did we personally watch their tests? No we did not.
As for card board, how does it replace rubber? I do not see cardboard orings? I do not see a cardboard case. I do not see a cardboard inner cap which is used to screw onto the mount. Clearly the main component that cardboard is used for is filtering.
You want to use your filter, fine. I am not saying you cant. I AM saying that you may be wrong on the fram filters and you can believe what you want but until there is REAL proof from real unbiased sources, not from a family website, you cannot claim a fram sucks, especially when others here stand by them. Like I said, this was hashed before. Do a search.
As one other point, have you had a fram filter fail on your own personal car or truck or bike?
A failure that was caused as a direct failure if the filter, not something just oil related.
Like I said, I have not and I have never seen one fail on any friends or families vehicle. I have only heard the claim on the internet and from 1 mechanic who was suspect anyways.
You never have said what filter you like. Post up so everyone else knows. I do not care, I am done here on this thread as regardless of who is right, we are both retards for arguing on the internet.
At least I can leave this argument here if you can. Pretty stupid to carry it to other topics.
Just so you know, I am not holding any grudge here.
