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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #125 on: August 08, 2008, 04:37:52 PM »
WalMart is now the largest employer in the USA...

Used to be GM....
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« Reply #126 on: August 08, 2008, 05:21:44 PM »
Tell me then why MOST major US banks have posted phenomenal losses due directly to the sub-prime housing market? Perhaps Ive missed something?



Yup, you've missed something.  The problems going on in the housing market have cause ripple effects across the US economy.  Have you even looked into this, or are you simply assuming that MOST citizens of the US are having their houses foreclosed on due to irresponsible spending?  The recent poor financial performance of US banks does not mean that MOST US citizens don't having their finances in order.  You're over-generalizing again.

You say that I'm imagining the "most US citizens have bad habits" topic yet that's exactly what you continue to argue.


even though YOU personally take care of your finances and are responsible in your spending habits, sadly this is not a widespread phenomenon in the US


a society many US citizens do or aspire to these items (look on the road for the number of inefficient gas-guzzling SUVS) - so who is creating the problem here?
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many other US citizens are not like you - they either made bad choices, were greedy or had no clue


Look on the road for the number of people NOT driving inefficient gas-guzzling SUVS, are are the SUV's the only thing you see?

Yes, many other US citizens ARE like me, they make good choices, are not greedy, and have a clue.  You are discounting these people.

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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #127 on: August 08, 2008, 06:03:42 PM »
WalMart is now the largest employer in the USA...

Used to be GM....

And there's the rub. Walmart might destroy all the "Mom and Pop" stores here in Oz eventually, but it's been my experience that "Mom and Pop" were selling the same low quality crap as Walmart, but for premium prices, so I say "bring it on".

At least then the same low quality crap will be cheaper, and because we have a very strong union movement here in Oz, the Aussie workers will be a lot better paid than what stingy old "Mom and Pop" were paying.

We may not be able to control the influx of giant US corporations, (funnily, there are very few giant Asian, UK or European chain stores operating here in Oz) but at least some of the money is staying here with these companies employing Aussie workers. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #128 on: August 08, 2008, 06:18:52 PM »
I was born in the US of A and love my country. We have enjoyed a pretty good lifestyle and a lot of us like to live large, I lead a pretty good lifestyle and I make no apologies for that, I and the wife worked for it. Some of us go way beyond our means, some people drink too much etc.

I think I stated something here when I spoke about the Americanization of the World. Most of you largest Corporations are multinational, they don't belong to any particular nation, they are entities unto themselves. They are expected to open new markets so they can return a profit to their shareholders. I worked for America's largest computer company and we made more money offshore than onshore. The economy of the World is becoming more intertwined at an ever expanding rate.

I am sure that Australian money went into Starbucks Australia. I am sure there is foreign capital going into the Walmarts and other chains expanding.

With the lifestyle we live(even now) and they way our lifestyle is marketed around the World it is inevitable that when people get a few bucks, they want what we have. The urban Chinese are no longer wearing those green boy scout suits, their clothes come right off 5th Ave because they see it in magazines, movies and the internet. American English slang works it's way into local languages through the media we export.

Love us or hate us we sure have made quite a cultural impact on the World.
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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2008, 06:21:56 PM »
And its still the best place I've seen to live....


Tho New Zealand was really nice .... ;)
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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #130 on: August 08, 2008, 07:07:44 PM »
And there's the rub. Walmart might destroy all the "Mom and Pop" stores here in Oz eventually, but it's been my experience that "Mom and Pop" were selling the same low quality crap as Walmart, but for premium prices, so I say "bring it on".

There's some honesty. Question: Why is Walmart the largest employer in the US? Answer: Because lots of folks do lots of shopping there. In capitalism, people vote with their dollars. It's their customers that make Walmart go, not the other way around.

I lived in a small Vermont town, and some truly lame mom and pops went under when the Walmart opened nearby. On the other hand, the there was a thriving hardware store that excelled in service. When the Home Depot opened, well, it was the Home Depot that closed a couple of years later.

But as for Starbucks, that's a horse of an entirely different wagon. I love Starbucks. I do. I hate their coffee with a passion, and I won't go there if I can avoid it, but I love Starbucks.

So why the love? I admire a good scam. As has been pointed out, Starbucks intentionally burns its beans. Happy patrons believe that the "burned" taste is actually a "strong" taste. Here we get to the good scam part. If you're going to sell your customers burned coffee, do you need to buy the best beans? NO! Buy cheap beans and sell the coffee at a premium price. The beans used to make that $4 grandissimo likely cost less that those used to make a $1.67 Dunkin Donuts coffee.

That's pure genius!

Oh, and if you burn the beans, they don't need to be very fresh, either. This brings us to Dunkin Donuts.

About 10 years ago I toured Jamaica with a friend who had lived there. Just for fun, we stopped at a coffee plantation and asked if we could go for a hike there on the mountain.

The plantation we hiked on, Twyman's Estate, sells gourmet coffee that sold for $50/pound then. I would have scoffed at the price; however, the owner asked us in for coffee after we had gotten done hiking (actually, after the search party had been sent out). His coffee is truly amazing, so amazing that my buddy and I emptied our wallets to bring home about 8 pounds each (he sells for half price at the plantation).

After voicing his opinion about Starbucks, Mr. Twyman went on to say, "Do you know who brews a good cup of coffee in the U.S.?" "Dunkin Donuts," says he. Why? "Because their beans are always fresh." I like fresh beans. I like DnD, too. Mebbe Dunkin Donuts could be the vehicle for world commercial understanding. England, Germany, Australia, Brazil, we bring you our fresh beans!
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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #131 on: August 08, 2008, 07:10:54 PM »
Screw the coffee....europe and OZ need a good donut place.  ;D
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« Reply #132 on: August 08, 2008, 07:59:16 PM »
Screw the coffee....europe and OZ need a good donut place.  ;D

Well Europe has arguably the best pastries and cakes in the world Tim, so I don't think you'll convince anyone that a donut place will fly there, but I'm up for it here, it'll make a nice change from all the other "Fatfood" places that have sprung up in the last 30 years. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #133 on: August 08, 2008, 08:13:27 PM »
Screw the coffee....europe and OZ need a good donut place.  ;D

Well Europe has arguably the best pastries and cakes in the world Tim, so I don't think you'll convince anyone that a donut place will fly there, but I'm up for it here, it'll make a nice change from all the other "Fatfood" places that have sprung up in the last 30 years. Cheers, Terry. ;D

Gotta love ya Terry...ya just love to be argumentative...even at the jokes....

As far as europe goes since your into splitting hairs....

The French have great pastry...as do the Dutch, Austrians, Swiss, and German....But theres some folks over there that need some serious Pastry help....like the English  ;D

I'd sure not call a donut a pastry.

Part of the beauty of the Donut is its simplicity....Doesn't have to be slaved over, Doesn't take a Chef to create, Doesn't cost ya much.....Thier cheap and ya eat them....simple.

Its like Beer Terry...theres beer you have with a fine cigar or nice meal...

Then theres the beer you drink after you've finished mowing the lawn....(donuts)

Make sense?

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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #134 on: August 08, 2008, 08:33:30 PM »
Another case of Cultural Imperialism:


According to anthropologist Paul R. Mullins, the first cookbook mentioning doughnuts was an 1803 English volume which included doughnuts in an appendix of American recipes. By the mid-19th century the doughnut looked and tasted like today’s doughnut and was viewed as a thoroughly American food.
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« Reply #135 on: August 08, 2008, 08:39:41 PM »

Gotta love ya Terry...ya just love to be argumentative...even at the jokes....

As far as europe goes since your into splitting hairs....

The French have great pastry...as do the Dutch, Austrians, Swiss, and German....But theres some folks over there that need some serious Pastry help....like the English  ;D

I'd sure not call a donut a pastry.

Part of the beauty of the Donut is its simplicity....Doesn't have to be slaved over, Doesn't take a Chef to create, Doesn't cost ya much.....Thier cheap and ya eat them....simple.

Its like Beer Terry...theres beer you have with a fine cigar or nice meal...

Then theres the beer you drink after you've finished mowing the lawn....(donuts)

Make sense?



Ha ha, well you're either very brave calling the UK part of Europe mate, or maybe you didn't realise that it isn't, but I agree, like US fastfood, England's food isn't particularly appealing either.

To think of a donut as anything remotely as tasty as a French pastry or perhaps a Swiss cake tells me that you need to visit Europe (not the UK) soon, you've obviously eaten so much of that local "heart attack in a box" rubbish that it's blocked the arteries to your brain and dulled your senses!

Ha ha, just jokes Tim, don't come back all "holier than thou" as usual, I'm going out to the 'shop. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #136 on: August 09, 2008, 10:57:24 AM »
HaHa

Come on Terry I'm as crusty as you...Far from Holy...Holey maybe...but thats just the shop clothes... ;)

Since the UK is part of the European Union...I'm gonna lump them in there...Too Bad limeys...If you didn't wanna be considered part of Europe....don't join a European Union  ;D

Terry Donuts are pretty tasty....maybe you need a better donut shop  :D

Seriously tho...the point I was trying to convey...is ...Donuts aren't pastry or swiss cake.

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« Reply #137 on: August 09, 2008, 02:49:05 PM »
Starbucks in Spain is not run by Starbucks. It is an spanish company who bought the rights to open stores here. Starbucks is making money regardless of whether the spanish company sells coffee or not. I guess it is up to the spanish company to run the risk about their forethoughts, whether an american business model will work in the spanish market or not.


If the spanish Starbucks go bust, the Yankees won't go home..... because they have been at their own home all the time, reaping the profits. Good for them that they came up with a sucessful business model. There has been quite a few spanish variation of the Mcdonalds or Burger King, with a spanish sandwich or "bocadillo"
 
and the same model of fast serving, menu with drink and fries etc. Some of them went bust, and only one "Pans&co" seem to survive, but far away from the burger restaurants. Spanish people like it, not because it is american, just because they like it. I also like the "kebab", turkish version of the fast-food

http://www.franquiciaseuropa.com/imagenes/524-01.jpg

, but they are generally independently-owned restaurants, having only one big chain around Spain "named 'Istambul'"


There was "Sears" here a couple of decades ago, and they went bust. Foreign companies start and close here all the time. Entrepreneurs are always looking for a business oportunity; some suceed and some not.



If people express their opinion about spaniards, I first try to see myself as if I were a non-spaniard and see how much truth there is. Feelings never allow us to see the naked truth. There is a big difference between "bashing" and "having a negative opinion". I can stand anybody having a negative opinion about spaniards or even me. I can't be liked by eveyrbody all the time. And I can even stand people bashing at me. They could probably have a good reason for doing so, but while I would be open for discussion in the former case, I would probably simply ignore them in the latter case. At the end of the day, what kind of profit do the average american get on the success or failure of Starbucks Australia? Americans profit from the jobs in the continental US, and they don't depend on the offshores business. If Starbucks is getting more profits, it will profit their shareholders, that may or may not be americans, and very probably, won't be the same people who serve coffee at Starbucks.


If Starbucks suceed in Norway or Walmart succeed in Italy, it must be because the society demanded it and nobody was able to cater for that need. Simple as that. You can't force people drinking Starbucks coffee or buying at Walmart.


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Re: YANKEE (Coffee shops) GO HOME!!!
« Reply #138 on: August 09, 2008, 02:58:00 PM »
Are you saying Spaniards are cheap?  ;) ;D
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« Reply #139 on: August 09, 2008, 04:08:49 PM »
Are you saying Spaniards are cheap?  ;) ;D

I am.....  ;D but I seldom am a good example for anything..... but being a bad example, I'm a good example at that.


Does what I said make sense?  ;D


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« Reply #140 on: August 09, 2008, 04:48:25 PM »
Are you saying Spaniards are cheap?  ;) ;D

I am.....  ;D but I seldom am a good example for anything..... but being a bad example, I'm a good example at that.


Does what I said make sense?  ;D


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