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boycot American Oil companies???
« on: September 06, 2005, 05:35:40 PM »
i was thinking...why are we so mad at the middle east for having such high crude oil prices?...If the roles were reversed (the US suppling the mid east with the majority of their oil) and we were the ones jacking it to our "enemies" you would all be dancing in the street over it.

I seems to me we (americans) sould be ANGERY  >:(  at our own oil producers.

Yes imported oil is high priced...is it over priced...I dont know...but we all say is...

If IMPORTED oil is OVER PRICED why is the price of gas and other products made with DOMESTIC oil just as high...there can be only one reason...WE ARE BEING #$%*ED BY OUR OWN SO CALLED AMERICAN OL COMPANIES!!!

I sell a lot of pizzas at Buffo's. I do not set my prices by what Pizza Hut asks for theirs, I set my prices at what I need to do business...shouldn't this also be true of our american(?) oil companies?

If I am right...america should boycot American oil companies...at the pumps.

but...I really dont know how the oil market works so maybe I just sound like an idiot.

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2005, 05:38:39 PM »
It would make sense but I would bet the oil companies would find ways around it.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2005, 05:44:39 PM »
Buffo, I've been reading some of your past post.  If you ever decide to run for President, you have my vote.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2005, 06:08:54 PM »
Buffo,

I do believe there are forces at work in the oil business that bode well for their profits.. at our expense. Take a look at this, it's interesting. Remember, no new refineries have been built in the U.S. since the mid-seventies, how come? What is the incentive for oil companies to invest billions to do so when it would result in a decline in refined product prices? You guessed it, none.

You might think that higher fuel prices would get us gluttonous Americans to stop buying those gas hungry SUV's, but I bet even if we did, the oil companies would still find a way to protect their profits.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2005, 06:32:26 PM »
All the smokers said they would quit when butts got to a dollar. Said they REALLY mean it if they got to $2 a pack...
In California, all the bikers said they'd sell their bike if the helmet law passed...

You think Americans are going to ride around in stinky little cars? Start buying Honda 50s or Vespas?
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2005, 06:34:39 PM »
Which companies are American?

At the beginning of the war, I thought we we're fighting in Iraq to secure a cheap source of oil. I'm a cynic, but I'm also self-interested. If the people in power think this is necessary, then maybe they know something I don't. (Is it considered fact yet the US would have lost the war in the Pacific had we not cut off the Japanese oil supply?)

Now, I think otherwise. Maybe we went to war to keep a cheap source of oil off the market.

Pissed? Nope. Tired from riding my bicycle to work? Yup.

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2005, 07:07:32 PM »
I am not saying dont buy gas. I am not saying sell your SUV or your Caddy. Hell...buy a Hummer...it's good for the economy!

What I am saying will not change ANYONES life who does it at all.

What I am saying is buy the same product from some one else. All it would take is going to a different gas station. That is not ANY form of life style change.

Hell...buy more gas. Just from the right people.

Excuse my language...If you want to ass #$%* me you are going to have to hold me down and rape me...I wont take it willingly. And you know if Habib pokes me in the ass I wont be happy...but I cant live with letting MY Uncle Sam do it.

I do what I can and what I think is right...that is all I can do.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2005, 07:12:39 PM »
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the US would have lost the war in the Pacific had we not cut off the Japanese oil supply?

Actually, I think we would have won anyway. Our industrial base far exceeded anything Japan had at the time. Just as we did in the European theater, we outproduced the enemy, we won by shear numbers. It just took some time to ramp-up.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2005, 07:33:36 PM »
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the US would have lost the war in the Pacific had we not cut off the Japanese oil supply?

Actually, I think we would have won anyway. Our industrial base far exceeded anything Japan had at the time. Just as we did in the European theater, we outproduced the enemy, we won by shear numbers. It just took some time to ramp-up.

Not wanting to start an arguement, but you could debate who really "won" in the end. The Japanese holding the bigger share of the car, electronics, etc. markets in the US and Daimler owning Chrysler (who once owned AMC which decended from Willys-Overland Co- which produced the Jeep that helped win the war). Much of the "Arsenal of Democracy" is now owned by the countries we once fought.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2005, 07:57:00 PM »
I dont care who owns what or why...especially if there is nothing ANYONE can do about it. I worry about things I can have a part of and change my little coarner of the globe.

I would sell my restauant to bin Ladin himself...and I want to keep that right!

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2005, 08:04:44 PM »
You could perhaps shop at Citgo, and support your crazy venezualan neigbors.. ;D
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2005, 08:14:06 PM »
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Not wanting to start an arguement, but you could debate who really "won" in the end.

Point well taken. I was speaking militarily with regard to the situation at the time. Then too, not sure there are any winners in war.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2005, 08:20:50 PM »
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Then too, not sure there are any winners in war.

SURE! Just read the history books.  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2005, 08:36:57 PM »
hey buffo... i mean this in the kindest way possible... watch your f 'n language!
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2005, 08:44:53 PM »
Wellll, I wish this country had a collective sense of history so we'd stop repeating some things- like selling arms to people who end up using them against us.

Anyhoo- I'll bite. Who do I buy gas from? Didn't BP used to be British Petroleum? Is that where to go?  Maybe Walmart is selling Chinese gas?
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2005, 09:02:11 PM »
the thing is... bp has the coolest trucks  :D  they glow in my headlights!!   :o
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2005, 01:13:27 AM »
Yes imported oil is high priced...is it over priced...I dont know...but we all say is...

I heard on the news tonight (The O'Reily Factor) That it costs OPEC $4 to produce 1 barrel of crude oil which is currently selling for $68 on the open market.  It is not a costs based market place.

If IMPORTED oil is OVER PRICED why is the price of gas and other products made with DOMESTIC oil just as high...there can be only one reason...WE ARE BEING F****D BY OUR OWN SO CALLED AMERICAN OL COMPANIES!!!

True, but we all (collectively speaking) willingly say please for the service.

I sell a lot of pizzas at Buffo's. I do not set my prices by what Pizza Hut asks for theirs, I set my prices at what I need to do business...shouldn't this also be true of our american(?) oil companies?

Perhaps in the idylic world.  But, not in a capitalistic society.  Let's say your restaurant becomes so popular that you are always at full seating capacity and that there are always long lines outside waiting to get seated and served.  Further, people in line offer extra money (Big tippers) to reserve a table for them.  Do you say no? This is an indication that that you are charging too little for your product. Do you raise your prices?  Now you find that because of the high volume, you are able to purchase all your pizza making materials for less money.  Your profits go up. Do you lower prices?  What will that do to the lines already at your door?  Do spend the extra profits on security personel to keep lines orderly?  Or, do you raise prices to keep the line length down?
What if you aren't the owner of your restaurant, but are still responsible running the restaurant.  How do you convince your board of directors not to raise price to maximize their profits?  Particularly when there are 12 people pitching their superior management skills and promising higher profits if only they had YOUR job?

If I am right...america should boycot American oil companies...at the pumps.

All the foreign oil companies that do business in the US have corporate offices in the US, I believe.  Prices for fuel in the US are different from prices in foreign countries, because prices are set for what the markets will bear for that locale.  This is why the price of gas for the same brand varies with the region in which it is sold (Although there is some surcharge for delivery fees in areas distant from the refinery).  When demand rises they can raise the price to maximize their income per unit of merchandise sold.  Even if demand reduces somewhat they still garner a higher return on investment.  To lower prices, demand must reduce.  Only then will the Oil companies, wishing to keep their bottom lines in the high numbers, increase volume by reducing profit per gallon.

Oil companies aren't the only ones fleecing the customers.  The auto industry, medical supply, health care, insurance and food industry, including beer and bottled water suppliers, all partake of supply and demand pricing, just to name a few.  Go to the grocery store and check the price per gallon of water!  Think that reflects the cost to produce?

Boycotts only work if they are not viewed as transient spikes in demand.  Bill O'Riely was saying on the same show that we should all just not buy gas on Sundays. Sounds good, and oil company analysts would certainly notice a drop in daily sales.  But, they would also compare the weekly and monthly sales rate to determine a true trend in demand.
What may work is a boycott of one brand of fuel Foreign or American.  A month, maybe even a week of dismal sales would certainly lower that brand's prices until demand picked up.  But, there are a lot of people to organize to make this effective.  Many people resent being told what brand of gas they can buy, and this makes boycotts fail.  Even Exxon recovered nicely from their "boycott" after the Exxon Valdez incident.  People "forget" and are easily swayed by slick TV marketing ploys to bolster sales.  These people spend big bucks on perfecting advertizing that appeals to their widest demographic customer base.  TV can be soo good, yet also soo bad.

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2005, 04:28:07 AM »
Some years ago a big fraud in pumps was discovered in Spain. The pumps have a flow sensor that sends pulses to the electronic counter. A small electronic device "speeded up" the pulses about 10% so they were charging a 10% more. It was discovered by a consumer magazine that, under cover, was buying gas on calibrated measurement big bottles to check the deviation.

It was found out that the government inspector (only one per region) never appeared without appointment, so the pump owners had plenty of time to switch off the electronic device. It was a big scandal, and the pumps that were cheating were greatly publicized in TV and newspapers. There were about 30 found, that belonged to the same 2 owners. One of the gas stations was in my very same street. Back then I was using a Nissan Terrano company car, that I used a lot. While no matter how empty the tank was, nowhere in Spain filling it costed more than 5.000 pts (30 euro), but in my street' pump it generally was more than that. It made me feel suspicious to the point of not gasin' up there, so when the scandal broke I understood the reason.


Well, could you believe that there were always people gasin' up there? I was freaking out. "Excuse me sir, do you know that this gas station has been caught cheating?" "I know, but probably it's allright now and I don't have the time to go to a farther one". The scandal was forgotten, the owners paid the fine and everybody sleeps well now...

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2005, 05:23:47 AM »
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SURE! Just read the history books.

I hear ya. It's just that there are a lot of mothers and fathers with sons buried all over Europe and the South Pacific who might have a different view of "winning/won."
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 08:45:35 AM »
OK... to sum up:
1. No one wins wars
2. Boycotts of gas companies don't work / are easily overcome
3. The invisible hand of supply and demand is the same hand big businesses use when they're holding me down and a$$-fu*cking me.

I'm with you Boffo: I'll fill up at the BP next time I need a tank. I'm not so desperate to shop at Citgo (yet).

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2005, 09:49:10 AM »
There was a mail goin' round here recently....and probably not so recently.
Boycot just two of the major suppliers. If they drop - the others will follow.
Don't know if it works yet.
Petrol (or gas) here in IRl is now somewhere around 1.20 Euro Per L.
Thats.. :P 4.54 x 1.20 = ..6.81 USD Per Gallon
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2005, 10:15:23 AM »
Now you`re talkin my language ;D

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2005, 12:10:42 PM »
2tired - that is exactly what I said but not just one brand of fuel...all American fuel...buy all the fuel you want and it doesnt really matter from who...the brits...the Saudi's whoever you want...just not american.

It is not a big thing to ask and if someone doesnt want to do it, what do I care...like Isaid I can only do what I can and what I think is right...if it doesnt make a difference...if others dont see it my way than that is their choice...but I  feel better at night

It may not change anything but the only thing I can control is who I give my money to

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2005, 06:18:27 PM »
You're still not recommending any brands. Can it be that BP ships it's oil all the way from England? And besides, they all charge the same, so they're all gouging the same.  Hey, it's the American Way; CAPITALISM !
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2005, 08:07:43 PM »
i am going to call the D.O.E. tomarrow and see what compaies buy thier crude from where. I will post what i find

And yeah..all the prices are the same..but it comes down to who do you want to be gouged by. I would just rather be gouged by outsiders than my own...it's a matter of preference.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2005, 12:37:38 PM »
I have to put this and most other discussions on hold for me right now. My wifes father is having a hard battle with cancer and is currently undergoing very aggressive theropy which will lead, hopefully, to a bone marrow transplant.

I urge you to all do what you beleive is right, buy from the companies that allow you to sleep well at night and allow you to do your part.

Buffo