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Offline 78_SaltLick

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Smoking on startup
« on: September 07, 2005, 09:29:35 AM »
When i start up my bike smokes comes out of the pipes for a couple of minutes, once its warmed up its fine and the smoking stops. Is this normal? Color of smoke is white/grey and smells like exaust smoke, just wondering if this happens to all ya. My bike is really hard to warm up, granted i only ride it about once a week, and even then for about 15 minute cruise around town, but i have to pull the choke out and let it run on that for at least 5 minutes before i push the choke in and have it idle without dying. And at that point i have to rev it once in a while to keep it from dying, give it another 5 minutes and it will run and idle like a top though. What needs to be adjusted if anything?
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2005, 09:49:44 AM »
Valve guide seals need to replaced
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2005, 09:57:52 AM »
One of the by products of combustion is water.  Also, any humidity in the surrounding atmosphere will condense on surfaces that have a temperature differential from side to side. Your cold drink glass is a common example.  When the muffler cools down the water condenses inside the pipe.  The heat of the next run cycle vaporizes this water and it exits as white vapor.  Also, choke operation causes the engine to run so rich that the combustion is not complete.  The incomplete burn residue exits the muffler as black soot suspended in a gaseous medium.  Mixing this with a white vapor cloud will give you grey smoke.

Something to note is that the muffler heats from the exhaust valve to the pipe exit.  If the run cycles are short and the flow is small (idling), the entire muffler may not reach a temperature high enough to convert all the water into vapor and dry out the muffler internals.  Repeated short run cycles can build up more water in the muffler than can be exhausted.  This is a major contributor of exhaust systems rusting out from the inside.

Lastly, the severity of the condensation is proportional to the magnitude of the temperature extremes.  Or, you'll see more vapor in cold weather than in hot weather.

The only thing to be alarmed at is if the exhaust vapor has a bluish tint, as this would indicate oil in the combustion chambers.  If this only happens during start up, then valve guides/ or guide seals are suspect.

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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2005, 01:44:15 PM »
You CAN get a white smoke if the oil level is too high. The oil cant displace properly and gets pushed past the rings and can come out as a white looking smoke. I never did this on a bike but I did once many years ago on a 4 banger car.

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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2005, 03:24:44 PM »
The oil level did look high to me, i didnt think it really mattered.
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2005, 04:42:57 PM »
The oil level did look high to me, i didnt think it really mattered.

It doesn't on a dry sump engine like the CB750.
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2005, 04:38:11 AM »
The oil level did look high to me, i didnt think it really mattered.

It doesn't on a dry sump engine like the CB750.
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2005, 04:58:24 PM »
Which I suppose may be possible depending on how overfull it is but then maybe not. Drain some of the oil to the proper height and see what happens.

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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2005, 06:58:24 PM »
The oil level did look high to me, i didnt think it really mattered.

It doesn't on a dry sump engine like the CB750.
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Re: Smoking on startup
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2005, 07:48:52 PM »
2 ways that I know of. One is if there is not enough room for all the oil, it can go by seals, and the second is if the seals are worn enough to allow leakage.