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Offline callbr549

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Question from a new rider
« on: August 19, 2008, 02:35:53 PM »
I'm new to motorcycles. Bought my first one (1972 CB750) a few weeks ago. I'm having fun riding until I get up to highway speeds, 55-60 mph. At that point I start getting paranoid that I'm going to get blown off by the force of the wind.

Does this mean I'm too much of a wuss to be taking up this mode of transportation? Did anyone else feel like this when they started riding? I assume I'll get used to it (I hope). I guess I never heard of anyone losing grip on the handlebars and falling off during normal highway riding.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 02:46:26 PM »
The wind isn't gonna blow you off unless you stand up and let go of the handlebars (and even then, you would have to be going a lot faster than you have been)

It's a weird sensation at first, but you get used to it...  I still remember the funny feeling it gave me when I turned my head slightly to one side and the wind pushed my helmet in that direction.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 02:49:47 PM »
Welcome to the community.  Keep riding, you'll get used to the sensation.  I've never heard of a rider being blown off the bike, but have heard off a couple passengers doing so.  You should seriously consider taking the Motorcycle Saftey Foundation riding course.  If you can't do that, find a mentor that can guide you along the learning curve.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 02:51:05 PM »
My first bike, the cables needed oiling but I didn't know it.  They stuck and my speed kept creeping up!  When I finally hit 65 I lost my grip and blew off the back of the bike.  I tumbled for a bit while the bike kept going and veered over into the on-coming traffic.  A van full of pregnant Girl Scouts ran into the bike and burst into flames.  It was in all the papers.  I was so scarred, I haven't ridden since.  I still wake up screaming.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 02:53:54 PM »
I don't blame you Ernie, that sounds positively terrifying!

Hand over that box of thin mints, would ya?   ;D
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 02:59:14 PM »
OK  sorry   ::) ;D

That's kind of a big bike to start out on IMO.  A lot of folks have trouble turning because they feel like they're going to fall over.  Maybe get used to moving and work up to freeway speeds gradually.  Spend some time in a desrted parking lot and do circles and figure 8's.  See what happens when your speeds vary and what happens when you apply the brakes OR the gas.
Learn about counter-steering.  Get to know your bike.  Make sure you know the basics on how to take care of it and check your tires for age, tread, and air pressure. Some fear will keep you alive.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 03:10:03 PM »
That bike is the problem, GET RID OF IT RIGHT AWAY!  I am in Milwaukee and can come get it tonight.  ;) ;D

I think it will just take time.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 03:33:28 PM »
Well Cal...I am closer to you than Cleve in Milwaukee so I will be there tomorrow to pick that 750 up.  I will even leave you a restored CM400 to learn on.  All kidding aside, welcome to the forum.  I think the bike is a little big to learn on.  I started out on a 65cc when I was 15 years old and progressed to a 175cc, 450cc, 750cc and then 1500cc.  But, learning on that bike can be done.  Just take your time and practice.  I used to go into vacant parking lots to learn to control it at slow speeds.  Try to stay under that speed that scares you until you have some miles under your belt.  Then gradually increase it.  And a tip I like to give to all new riders, "NEVER EVER trust that any driver can see you.  And, try to always leave yourself an out if someone does something stupid to you."  Good luck with your bike and send us some pics.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 03:42:09 PM »
My first bike, the cables needed oiling but I didn't know it.  They stuck and my speed kept creeping up!  When I finally hit 65 I lost my grip and blew off the back of the bike.  I tumbled for a bit while the bike kept going and veered over into the on-coming traffic.  A van full of pregnant Girl Scouts ran into the bike and burst into flames.  It was in all the papers.  I was so scarred, I haven't ridden since.  I still wake up screaming.


Ernie has offered good advice here, check and make sure your cables are well oiled.
At all cost avoid van loads of pregnant girl scouts.

Other than that enjoy the wind.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 06:22:58 PM »
A van full of pregnant Girl Scouts ran into the bike and burst into flames.

Wait, the Girl Scouts were pregnant? :o  Where were these Girl Scouts when I was in Boy Scouts?  ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 06:47:10 PM »
Welcome to the forum man. Like the others i agree that the CB750 is kind of a large bike to have for your first bike. Like Johnie i started with the smaller machines as well building up well over 10 years of off road motorcycle experience before i ever threw a leg over a street bike. But i made the same sort of progression...50cc 80 cc 100cc 125 cc 250 cc 500 cc motocrossers then onto a 750cc Interceptor. Along the way i have ridden larger machines including a 1000cc Yamaha R1 and a 900CC CBR Fireblade. Those came between the 500 and the 750...however...this is the big however part....that was a mistake i nearly paid for with my life i had gotten so used to riding the large bore machines i made the mistake of riding a buddies R6 the same way and had a bad wreck...i entered a turn hot and and had grabbed throttle knowing that on the 900 and the 1000 the bike would pull itself back up...the 600 however had a major flaw and bogged just as i asked for more power causing a slide as momentum on the rear wheel changed. Now i have a composite kneecap and pins in my leg to remind me to never get complacent on a motorcycle because faster then you can blink it can be all over...

Sorry for the bit of a run on rant there guys but my point is this...listen to experienced riders when they offer advice and take to the learning curve of riding motorcycles at your own pace. You are far better off starting with an older CB750 then with something like a newer crotch rocket. the CB will forgive your rookie errors while the newer bikes will not.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 07:40:15 PM »
The weird one for me was the first time I rode a bike with a full fairing at highway speeds.  The aerodynamics were such that the wind came around me and actually pushed me forward.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 06:05:35 AM »
get used to it
it's all part of the fun  of riding
the more you do it it won't bother you at all
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 08:13:18 AM »
I've been looking at 750's as a first bike as well, I'm not that big of a guy so I've been hesitant about something that weighs 500lbs. Back at my folks' place in NC I have a long private road with turns I can practice on, guess that's the only way to get comfortable. I just want to avoid getting something that feels like it'll die going up the mountains of NC/VA, or way too wobbly on the highway...


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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 08:35:38 AM »
You all do not have wind where you live do you? Currently I have no windscreen and boy do I wish I did. Average wind here is 15mph plus and it is always gusting. Sorry but at freeway speeds, you never "get use to" the buffeting as it is constantly beating against you. So for the time being, I improvise.
I scoot back on the seat and put my feet up on the passenger pegs and lean on the tank. little hard on the arms but compared to afew miles of getting beat by the wind, it is not so bad. If the wind is strong enough, you can hunch just right so the wind helps hold you up.

Getting blasted by a 40+ wind is something you never get used to but learn to compensate for. Especially here as that happens at least a couple days a month.

Also get a tight fitting jacket as it will help reduce the buffeting.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2008, 08:48:13 AM »
Thanks for all the input. I'll keep an eye out for those dastardly Girl Scouts.

Yes, I took the MSF Basic Rider Course before buying a bike. I never got over 15-20 mph on a closed course. I just wasn't prepared by that for the sensation of riding at 60mph.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, maybe the CB750 was not the ideal choice for a first bike, but I don't think size is causing a big problem. I've been commuting on it and the speed limit is 40 mph or 30 mph most of the way. I'm fairly comfortable with this commute. I have done some practice turning, figure 8s, etc in parking lots, but this thread has convinced me I should probably do more.

In all, I don't regret buying the CB750. It certainly sets me apart from the ubiquitous Harleys in these parts.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 10:45:27 AM »
Oh.  And never stop learning.

In fact, I've been thinking about taking the MSF course even though I've been riding on and off for 20 years.  And I need to get my bikes out to a parking lot to get a lot more practice.  I still make newbie mistakes.

I really need to work harder at applying more front brake than rear.  I have a tendency to lock up the back and that's not good.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2008, 12:40:53 PM »
I started on a 650 Maxim (another heavy-ish bike).  Also not the best choice to learn on, but I turned out allright.
Practice stopping fast in the parking lot; Take the corners nice and slow.
When you've got a few miles under you and you start to lose your initial fear- that's when they will try to kill you.  Watch out for the second month.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2008, 12:58:42 PM »
I started on a 650 Maxim (another heavy-ish bike).  Also not the best choice to learn on, but I turned out allright.
Practice stopping fast in the parking lot; Take the corners nice and slow.
When you've got a few miles under you and you start to lose your initial fear- that's when they will try to kill you.  Watch out for the second month.

Yep!  Been there.  Watch out when going through green lights.  Assume that car in the left-turn lane across the intersection is going to hit you.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 05:36:12 PM »
I kind of think that motorcycles are like tablesaws.  The moment you stop being afraid of them they cut your hand off.  Only motorcycles will just as likely kill you as cut your hand off. 

I haven't been riding that long and I still avoid the heaviest congested parts of town because riding around with all that traffic scares the crap out of me.
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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2008, 06:29:38 PM »
I've been riding 32 years, I still don't like traffic. All those cagers and me on a puny motorcycle.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2008, 06:55:22 PM »
I've been riding 32 years, I still don't like traffic. All those cagers on their phones, drifting into my lane, then giving me a dirty look and the finger as though I did something wrong!  >:(  and me on a puny motorcycle.

I had to edit your statement a bit.  ;)

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2008, 10:41:22 PM »
Anybody else notice that ladies driving volvo's, and men in saabs (particularly fast saabs) are the worst.....

Or is it just me.....

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Seriously, riding a bike is like flying an airplane (I've done both), you MUST spend time practicing emergency manuvers.  Get to the point where you can make both those tires howl as you stop - no matter what the 'road' is made of.  Make a point of going out and practicing - just for the time you will need it.  Then when you can do it straight, do it in a corner (carefully now!)  Braking and manuvering are your best defense.

Remember - I'm a fireman.  The other day I ran on a call up here in the canyon where a fellow on a big-o-hog had gone off a corner and really messed up his ankles.  Talked to people who watched him crash - and knew how fast he was going because he had just passed them (not that fast).  I looked at the skid mark (only the back tire) and - yah know - I could _stopped_ my bike from 80mph in that distance, much less slowed down for a relatively minor corner. (heck - I could take that corner at 60, he couldn't on that bike, but I coulda).

Course there may have been a ETOH factor (not smart).

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Pretend you are invisible - and use the cars around you as sheilds from the cagers.  I try to never be in a position where a turning car would hit just me - they'd have to go through another car first - or better yet - I'm just not at the intersection when they are.

Watch the front wheels (of the cars) - they are great "turn signal indicators" and you may see them turn before you notice the car turning.  Today I was coming home and a semi with a large load was signaling a left turn (across my path).  His wheels turned, and I started "evading" - he saw me (one trick is point the headlight at them) and stopped, but I saw those front tires turning first.

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2008, 11:27:55 PM »

Remember - I'm a fireman. 

My father-in-law is one of the captains on the FD in the city I live in.  Some of the stories he has told me about "arriving on the scene of an accident involving a motorcycle" are enough to make me want to throw up.  Of course he rides a 79 Goldwing and doesn't let his work scare him out of riding.  A lot of the guys in the Dept don't ride because of what they see on the job.  :(   

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Re: Question from a new rider
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2008, 05:58:41 AM »
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My father-in-law is one of the captains on the FD in the city I live in.  Some of the stories he has told me about "arriving on the scene of an accident involving a motorcycle" are enough to make me want to throw up.  Of course he rides a 79 Goldwing and doesn't let his work scare him out of riding.  A lot of the guys in the Dept don't ride because of what they see on the job.  :(   

Periodically people express surprise that I ride.  "I'm suprised you ride a bike given the things you see as a fireman".    Actually, if I were going to use that as a criterion, I wouldn't do much of anything. ;)

Let me give you, perhaps, a different perspective.  Firefighting is an inherently dangerous job - one of the most dangerous.   Actually, if you were to find a way to normalize the time 'on the job' to 'on the bike' I'm not sure it is not more dangerous than riding a bike.  Remember, most firefighters spend the majority of their time waiting to respond, training, etc.- not responding.    So if you could normalize the hours on the bike (exposed) to the hours involved in the dangerous aspects of firefighting (exposed), you may be surprised and which is more dangerous.  I don't know - I don't have that data.  I do know that as Fire Chief I get fire fighter fatality notices from USFA and we are on 80, I belelive, this year.  I also know I worry more when in the truck on response than I do on the bike.  I could not take the level of stress/intensity that is there during a response for the number of hours I'm on the bike - I would quit riding if that were the case - and perhaps those FF's who do not ride feel that way.  (note, some of the worst "wrecks" I've been on were riding horses).

So - firefighting is inherently dangerous.  That means a risk adverse person is NOT going to be a firefighter.  What we do is work _hard_ to mitigate that risk.  We train.  We have standard operating proceedures (now called standard operating guidelines - thanks to the laywers). We wear PPE (personal protective equipment) and are VERY strict about that.

Riding a bike is the same to me.  I train (practice, make sure I know how to ride).  I wear PPE - bright colored riding jacket with armor, helmet, gloves - never shorts and a tee-shirt. I would  no more ride my bike without that gear than I would run into a burning building without my PPE on. I have SOG's I follow - standard and trained responses to situations.

I love fire fighting - and will be a FF as long as I'm able.  I work hard to make it as safe as possible.
I love riding - and will ride as long as it is practical.  I work hard to make it as safe as possible.

Same thing really.

BTW - (I'll probably raise a few hackles here).  For those who act unsafely in a car/bike/bicycle/whatever and say "I'm only risking myself"   Not true, - when that pager goes off - and we responsd, we are at risk.  It is a risk we choose to accept - nobody is forcing me to be a fireman - so I'm not complaining - but it is a risk and so actions taken are not in a vacuum.  If you don't want to wear protective gear on the bike - that is your call.  But saying you are risking only yourself is not a valid justification.