Topic: Sex and motorcycles

[Soos]

Of all the "opinions" I have heard, that is certainly one of them.

While some men fit that description, I doubt that it is a true statement for most men, or any women.  If it were true, nobody would ride the smaller displacement bikes.

"My 350F make me feel so......small?"

Size does not matter. Just keep repeating that until you believe it.

So am I shallow for needing implants to make mine bigger?


 

[BobbyR]

Women like bad boys, always did. Bikes are bad.  In High School I thought they wanted a kind sensitive man. Yeah as a friend, but they wanted a thug or a jock. Women loved Alan Alda (MASH) cause he was so sensitive, but they wanted to bang Stallone. Once I figured that out - booty time!!!!!!!!!!!!

[martino1972]

Of all the "opinions" I have heard, that is certainly one of them.

While some men fit that description, I doubt that it is a true statement for most men, or any women.  If it were true, nobody would ride the smaller displacement bikes.

"My 350F make me feel so......small?"

Size does not matter. Just keep repeating that until you believe it.

So am I shallow for needing implants to make mine bigger?


 

i guess that's why i exstended my shifter....

[tramp]

now there's a phalic symbol

[BobbyR]

women think i'm sexy when i ride,
until i take my gloves off and they see the wedding ring

I don't know what's wrong with wedding rings. If I like a woman, either for casual sex or long-term commitment, I will give it a try regardless of whether she is married or not. Who knows whether she is happy or not? If she only wants me for casual sex, the fact that she is married is not my business. That's something she should deal with, not me. And the same goes the other way round.

I can't stand the old adage of "she was a #$%* for dealing with a married man" C'mon, he could always said no.

Would you feel the same if some guy was boneing your old lady?

[Raul CB750K1]

women think i'm sexy when i ride,
until i take my gloves off and they see the wedding ring

I don't know what's wrong with wedding rings. If I like a woman, either for casual sex or long-term commitment, I will give it a try regardless of whether she is married or not. Who knows whether she is happy or not? If she only wants me for casual sex, the fact that she is married is not my business. That's something she should deal with, not me. And the same goes the other way round.

I can't stand the old adage of "she was a #$%* for dealing with a married man" C'mon, he could always said no.

Would you feel the same if some guy was boning your old lady?

Definitely yes. If my old lady finds a better lover, the better for her. She is not my posession. But obviously, that would mean the end of our marriage. I can't force her to love me forever. For me, being married is all about common projects and faithfulness. I find nothing wrong with people having different partners, but that is not compatible with the concept of marriage that I have.

The key to keep your partner is not avoiding him/her having any type of contact with the opposite sex except you. The key is to try to make him/her happy in all aspects, so he/she finds no need to look for something out of your marriage. I can fail or success, but hey, tomorrow aug 30th it will be 20 years since we are together, and I'm 36.....

[Rocking-M]

Definitely yes. If my old lady finds a better lover, the better for her. She is not my posession. But obviously, that would mean the end of our marriage. I can't force her to love me forever. For me, being married is all about common projects and faithfulness. I find nothing wrong with people having different partners, but that is not compatible with the concept of marriage that I have.

The key to keep your partner is not avoiding him/her having any type of contact with the opposite sex except you. The key is to try to make him/her happy in all aspects, so he/she finds no need to look for something out of your marriage. I can fail or success, but hey, tomorrow aug 30th it will be 20 years since we are together, and I'm 36.....

Huh? I don't remember that part in my vows. Seems to me that when someone gives their word on something it's
a done deal. But what the hell do I know, I've only been married 31 years and never sought another woman.
Now that I know that the modern notion is so much freer in regards to marriage maybe I should shop around.
No gonna do it.

My opinion is,  if someone can't be trusted in a marriage situation then I don't trust them in any other
kind of situation. Over the years this opinion of mine has been confirmed countless times by those
I knew who were rounders.

[Skonnie Boy]

Whoa, hey.  Let's get back to the sex part.

Oh, nevermind.  If anybody needs me I'll be in the Babe thread.

[DammitDan]

I've got a friend who specifically hunts for women who are engaged or married.  His absolute disregard of any responsibility has really affected our friendship, to the breaking point.

It takes two to tango, and both parties share the responsibility (or lack thereof) of the cheating spouse.

[Raul CB750K1]

Huh? I don't remember that part in my vows. Seems to me that when someone gives their word on something it's
a done deal. But what the hell do I know, I've only been married 31 years and never sought another woman.
Now that I know that the modern notion is so much freer in regards to marriage maybe I should shop around.
No gonna do it.

My opinion is,  if someone can't be trusted in a marriage situation then I don't trust them in any other
kind of situation. Over the years this opinion of mine has been confirmed countless times by those
I knew who were rounders.

Well, this brings again a topic we discussed about "I gave my word so I have to keep it". That is fine, but a contract between two can be re-negotiated as many times as both parties want.

My wife woved, but I would never force her to live her life unhappily. If she is not happy and I can't do anything to improve the situation, I would gladly release her from her wovs -we are not talking religion now, just a marriage as a social contract-. I'm happy with her, so I haven't needed to look outside for a new partner. But I promise you that if ever our life becomes hell, and she insist in making my life miserable, I would leave her. What's the point of two people being unhappy because of a wov they made decades ago? Men marry primarily because it seems as a safe bet to have sex whenever they want, but later they discover it is not such. Some of them learn to be happy, and some of them look for sex somewher else.

Me? I was very in love with my wife. I was 24, I wanted to bone her badly. I enjoyed living with her, the two of us, alone, and knew that one day we would have children. But back then, children was the last thing I wanted.

Today, I enjoy chatting with her over a cup of coffee, seeing her how she cares for the little kids, how she calls me twice a day to see if everything is going well, and even how she complains when I spend much time with the bikes. I'm not what I used to be, and she is not either. Fortunately, we had grown up and still want to be together, but that doesn't always happen. If it does not happen, I don't see the point in being unhappy or cheating. It is much better to talk clearly and move along. It may hurt at the beginning, but it is much better in the long run.

It takes two to tango, and both parties share the responsibility (or lack thereof) of the cheating spouse.

My point exactly. I can't blame a guy for trying with my wife. He doesn't have a commitment with me; she has. If she doesn't want to be with me, she only have to tell me and is free to go. But I don't want to be cheated.

[Hope]

No, there is nothing sexual about a motorcycle.....

[BobbyR]

I've got a friend who specifically hunts for women who are engaged or married.  His absolute disregard of any responsibility has really affected our friendship, to the breaking point.

It takes two to tango, and both parties share the responsibility (or lack thereof) of the cheating spouse.

Your friend will wind up with someone busting a cap in his ass one day.

[333]

Hope, don't confuse the subject of this thread and what the advertising industry does to sell whatever.  They will use sex to sell anything.

[DammitDan]

My point exactly. I can't blame a guy for trying with my wife. He doesn't have a commitment with me; she has. If she doesn't want to be with me, she only have to tell me and is free to go. But I don't want to be cheated.

I think something got lost in translation...  I'm saying it IS the guy's fault, just as much as it is the wife's fault.  It's her responsibility to tell her spouse that she's unhappy and something needs to change or else, but letting the guy off scott free just isn't right.  He could have easily said, "No, you're married" and quite frankly, if he had an ounce of personal honor he would have.

It all boils down to how you respect the idea of marriage.  If we live in a monogamous society, with marriage being the pinnacle of relationships, then the sacredness of that marriage (and not just on a religious level) needs to be respected.

Your friend will wind up with someone busting a cap in his ass one day.

I've told him that many times and he shrugs and says, "Hey, it's not my fault she's unhappy with the relationship, why would the guy take it out on me?" 

[BobbyR]

I guess I am kind of old school. I waited till I was 30 to get married. I had some commitment issues and cheated on every woman I dated. I decided I was not going to marry someone, cheat on them and mess up two and maybe more lives. Slowly I started growing up and found out being good is not that hard. 28 years and still going strong. I still look, but I don't touch. I must say I do enjoy riding on one road where on occasion some college girl flash their tits at the bikes going by. I was so shocked I had to go by 3 times the first time to be sure I was not seeing things. 

[Rocking-M]

I guess I am kind of old school. I waited till I was 30 to get married. I had some commitment issues and cheated on every woman I dated. I decided I was not going to marry someone, cheat on them and mess up two and maybe more lives. One started growing up and found out being good is not that hard. 28 years and still going strong. I still look, but I don't touch. I must say I do enjoy riding on one road where on occasion some college girl flash their tits at the bikes going by. I was so shocked I had to go by 3 times the first time to be sure I was not seeing things. 

  were you seeing things?? 

[BobbyR]

Nope, even lifted my visor to make sure.

[edbikerii]

Alright Bobby, forget Bear Mountain, I want to see those Bare Mountains.  What road is this?  I'm trying to enumerate all the colleges in Westchester county, but I can't think of a single one where the girls have such a reputation.

Yeah, I waited til I was 30 too, but it still didn't work out.  I think that only works if you do spend all that time cheating on every woman you date.  Otherwise you end up not learning anything at all, except an awful lot about a few girls you already know you are never going to marry.  Oh well, maybe next time.

I guess I am kind of old school. I waited till I was 30 to get married. I had some commitment issues and cheated on every woman I dated. I decided I was not going to marry someone, cheat on them and mess up two and maybe more lives. One started growing up and found out being good is not that hard. 28 years and still going strong. I still look, but I don't touch. I must say I do enjoy riding on one road where on occasion some college girl flash their tits at the bikes going by. I was so shocked I had to go by 3 times the first time to be sure I was not seeing things. 

[Raul CB750K1]

I think something got lost in translation...  I'm saying it IS the guy's fault, just as much as it is the wife's fault.  It's her responsibility to tell her spouse that she's unhappy and something needs to change or else, but letting the guy off scott free just isn't right.  He could have easily said, "No, you're married" and quite frankly, if he had an ounce of personal honor he would have.

I have a very down-to-earth approach to marriage and personal relationship. I don't think anybody will ever marry their dream partner, if only because the amount of people you will ever have the chance to meet in your lifetime is small compared to the world population. You end up matching at an age group between 15-30, so you have to find a good partner among those you know, and among them, only among those who like you as a partner. The harder to find a good partner, the lower you level of exigence, so you end up doing concessions. That is not marrying your dream woman, but if having to choose between marrying a not-so-perfect partner, or remaining alone, you choose the lesser of two evils.

But it could very well happen that six years later another woman starts to work at your jobplace and you both find out you are twin souls. Had you met her six years before she would be your perfect wife now. And you still have in front of you 50 years of life, while you have only six years of marriage behind. Why would you have to live unhappily just because life didn't throw your perfect partner at the right time.

Allright, now you can say: well, then don't marry in first place. And that's what will probably happen in the coming generations. I love you but I can't guarantee I'll love you forever. So we either don't marry or if we do, we do with the implied condition that it is not forever. If two people live together in a permanent relationship, the fact that they are married or not doesn't make any difference. If one leaves and the other doesn't want to, it won't be less painful just because there is not a signed contract between them.


If I'm single and I'm in love with a woman, and she is married, I will give it a try. I don't think it means I have no honour. She has a permanent offer by his husband, and I'm making her a counteroffer. I want her to choose the best offer, not the first one. If my offer is worst, then so be it. I arrived late but I would like to have the chance to make a proposal too.




I've written all these from a man's perspective, but you can replace "man" for "woman" and I still think the same.

[BobbyR]

Alright Bobby, forget Bear Mountain, I want to see those Bare Mountains.  What road is this?  I'm trying to enumerate all the colleges in Westchester county, but I can't think of a single one where the girls have such a reputation.

Yeah, I waited til I was 30 too, but it still didn't work out.  I think that only works if you do spend all that time cheating on every woman you date.  Otherwise you end up not learning anything at all, except an awful lot about a few girls you already know you are never going to marry.  Oh well, maybe next time.

I guess I am kind of old school. I waited till I was 30 to get married. I had some commitment issues and cheated on every woman I dated. I decided I was not going to marry someone, cheat on them and mess up two and maybe more lives. One started growing up and found out being good is not that hard. 28 years and still going strong. I still look, but I don't touch. I must say I do enjoy riding on one road where on occasion some college girl flash their tits at the bikes going by. I was so shocked I had to go by 3 times the first time to be sure I was not seeing things. 

The road is Perkins Drive which goes up to the top of the Mountain. You go from about 600 to 1200 in 2 1/2 miles. There is a tower at the top where you can see clear into Manhattan, and probably into PA. Check here is the location: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=perkins%20drive%2C%20new%20york&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[ofreen]

If I'm single and I'm in love with a woman, and she is married, I will give it a try. I don't think it means I have no honour. She has a permanent offer by his husband, and I'm making her a counteroffer. I want her to choose the best offer, not the first one. If my offer is worst, then so be it. I arrived late but I would like to have the chance to make a proposal too.

I've written all these from a man's perspective, but you can replace "man" for "woman" and I still think the same.

I don't know how they do it in Spain (never been there, would like to go someday), but most marriage ceremonies I am aware of involve giving your word about commitment.  You commit yourself to another person in a way that is unique in personal relationships.  (That is why I believe gays want the right to marry.  It is because marriage has a deep meaning like no other relationship.)  Too many people behave in the way that their word they gave and the commitment they made means nothing.  This is what I think somebody else meant when they referred to honor.  I have seen much pain (families torn apart, kids screwed up) because people only think about what they want and do not honor their commitment.  I have never seen that that happen when people do what they promised to do and behave like adults.

So do I think that people should stay in a relationship that makes them miserable?  Nope, get the hell out.  But in the meantime, the right thing to do is to honor the commitment you have made.  If you screw around on the side, you can rationalize it all you want, but the fact remains, you are going against the word you gave.  There is no honor in going after someone else's spouse, either, no matter how you rationalize it.  It is about trust, and my experience tells me that people that behave in that way cannot be trusted in other ways either.

[Raul CB750K1]

If I'm single and I'm in love with a woman, and she is married, I will give it a try. I don't think it means I have no honour. She has a permanent offer by his husband, and I'm making her a counteroffer. I want her to choose the best offer, not the first one. If my offer is worst, then so be it. I arrived late but I would like to have the chance to make a proposal too.

I've written all these from a man's perspective, but you can replace "man" for "woman" and I still think the same.

I don't know how they do it in Spain (never been there, would like to go someday), but most marriage ceremonies I am aware of involve giving your word about commitment.  You commit yourself to another person in a way that is unique in personal relationships.  (That is why I believe gays want the right to marry.  It is because marriage has a deep meaning like no other relationship.)  Too many people behave in the way that their word they gave and the commitment they made means nothing.  This is what I think somebody else meant when they referred to honor.  I have seen much pain (families torn apart, kids screwed up) because people only think about what they want and do not honor their commitment.  I have never seen that that happen when people do what they promised to do and behave like adults.

So do I think that people should stay in a relationship that makes them miserable?  Nope, get the hell out.  But in the meantime, the right thing to do is to honor the commitment you have made.  If you screw around on the side, you can rationalize it all you want, but the fact remains, you are going against the word you gave.  There is no honor in going after someone else's spouse, either, no matter how you rationalize it.  It is about trust, and my experience tells me that people that behave in that way cannot be trusted in other ways either.

In civil weddings in Spain, the words "love", "faithful", "commitment" is never spoken. The judge only asks the participants whether they freely want to marry, and by the powers given by the state, he accepts the union of both participants as a new "society". It is purely a new civil society. They don't even have to love each other at all.


It is not so easy to break a marriage when you have kids. People change with age, and a couple that loved each other intensely, may stop loving each other just because of the routine and the lack of communication. Maybe the honourable thing to do would be to divorce before chasing around. Really? Is everybody really willing to start over at 50? Is it really worth to split the family when there are kids? Some people just get some emotion out of the wedlock to make up for the things missing at home. Not me, but some people do. Is that worst than having honour? Well, it takes unselfishness to go on unhappily to avoid hurting your wife and/or kids. When you are not happy at your job, you go find another and your company will just find somebody else. It is not so easy with your spouse. Sometimes you don't love your spouse but you don't want to hurt him/her either.

Maybe that's the reason there are each time less and less weddings. It gives nothing you can get without marrying, and on the contrary, complicates everything a lot in case things don't go well. There is really no incentive in getting married, except two-week paid vacation, and the money you get from the family. In Spain, in fact, not marrying gives you more opportunities, because if you have kids, you have access to a lot of public help because it is like if you are single, raising children on your own.


So, we are talking about people who is unfaithful by nature, and will cheat at the first chance, and people who is unhappy and cheat to find something they need. I understand both, but I can't support the first. If you know you are a cheater, don't marry in first place, nobody forces you to do so. You are going to damage somebody.

[martino1972]

too many words in this tread....not enough pictures..........

[ofreen]

In civil weddings in Spain, the words "love", "faithful", "commitment" is never spoken. The judge only asks the participants whether they freely want to marry, and by the powers given by the state, he accepts the union of both participants as a new "society". It is purely a new civil society. They don't even have to love each other at all.

Well, that's interesting.  I'd like to see what's in a typical Spanish marriage vow.  What is said?

It is not so easy to break a marriage when you have kids. People change with age, and a couple that loved each other intensely, may stop loving each other just because of the routine and the lack of communication.

Some people will stay together for the "sake of the kids."   If they are fighting like two cats in a bag all the time, they are doing the kids no favors.  A household like that is a very stressful environment for kids.  From what I have observed, if the couple can't behave like mature adults, it is better for the kids if they split the sheets.  But every case is different.

Is everybody really willing to start over at 50?

Remember 50 is the new 30.

Sometimes you don't love your spouse but you don't want to hurt him/her either.

Does that justify running around behind their back?

Maybe that's the reason there are each time less and less weddings.

Could be, but I don't think it says much for the direction society is heading.  A society where the people are increasingly unwilling to commit or keep their word made to someone is one that I think will ultimately be unsuccessful.

So, we are talking about people who is unfaithful by nature, and will cheat at the first chance, and people who is unhappy and cheat to find something they need. I understand both, but I can't support the first. If you know you are a cheater, don't marry in first place, nobody forces you to do so. You are going to damage somebody.

I agree with your assessment there.  Unfortunately, the number of people in the first category seem to be increasing, and it is costing society.  That same selfish, self-centered attitude is manifested in other ways, too.

[mystic_1]

Well, that's interesting.  I'd like to see what's in a typical Spanish marriage vow.  What is said?

Even here in the states, wedding vows are written by the people getting married unless they choose to use vows written by someone else.  So, the words used in the ceremony are largely up to the participants.

mystic_1