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Offline OakBehringer

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This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:13:51 AM »
Two items in question:

1) The metal tube that extends out of the air filter box, towards the engine.

2) The plastic box that the carbs connect to.

It seems like item (1) should extend all the way into item (2) and probably have some sort of gasket around it. Mine does not, as you can see in the pictures. The gap is actually a bit larger than it looks. There's no way all of my air is getting safely filtered. Can somebody clarify for me how this SHOULD be?

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 12:20:39 PM »
What bike?
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 12:22:51 PM »
Looks like a 350 or 400.

There should be a rubber piece there.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 02:36:11 PM »
Just went out to double check on my 350. Deffinitely missing the rubber piece.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 04:07:34 PM »
Yup - 350 (says so in my signature). Anyone know what that rubber piece might be called so I can order one?

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 04:20:18 PM »
17236-333-000

http://www.ehlerdingmotorsports.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=1974&fveh=2901

If they have it i don't know it looks like #6 is your missing seal

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 04:27:26 PM »
Do you have a #3 that pushes the filter forward?
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 04:28:24 PM »
It looks more like the rubber seal that is part of the airbox (#15)is gone - along with clamp #13.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 04:36:34 PM »
Ya after looking at it further looks like a different seal but it doesn't show it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 04:54:17 PM »
Quote from: TwoTired on September 01, 2008, 04:27:26 PM
Do you have a #3 that pushes the filter forward?


You think it should be pushed in further TT? iam kinda learning towards that since the detail doesn't show anything there.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 05:00:15 PM »
I've not seen a 350 Four in that detail.  But, I would look to see what stops it from moving that cone of rubber towards the seal.

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 05:36:56 PM »
What. The heck.

I just went out and pulled some parts off. Attached are more pictures.

#5 & #6 are definitely on there. #13 is not, but I have no idea why it would be, because I don't see what it would join #5 to.

Anyone out there with a 350f able to see what they have?

Thanks,
Adam

btw I do have #3, but even if I didn't it wouldn't matter. All of this is part of the air box, the filter simply sits inside it.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 11:20:43 PM »
I think it should look more like this:
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 07:22:22 AM »
The # 3 in the diagram forces the filter to seat against the front of the airbox.  You definitely need this part.

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 07:37:29 AM »
i believe your part is actually part of the intake manifold... the 1 into 4 part.  since i don't see the part on the fiche, that is my guess.

fairly fragile part and they end up glued back together or just plain missing over time.  good luck.






p.s... thanks for making me check my filter... looks dirty and in need of replacement.   ;)
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 07:39:42 AM »
#3 is a simple spring
#13 is the hose clamp for your missing part
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 07:56:46 AM »
Quote from: heffay on September 02, 2008, 07:37:29 AM
i believe your part is actually part of the intake manifold... the 1 into 4 part.  since i don't see the part on the fiche, that is my guess.

fairly fragile part and they end up glued back together or just plain missing over time.  good luck.

Yup, that's it. Mystery solved. You can see it in Mark's picture, compared to the picture of my 4-1 box. I think you can even make out glue reside in my picture :)

So that part isn't removable? It's supposed to be permanently connected to the 4-1?
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 08:50:45 AM »
As a former parts guy, I can tell you that the part in question is definitely not on the fiche pic.  I don't mean to state the obvious, but it is a little busy in that pic.  And it wouldn't be on another page either.  My guess is that it's not available separately.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 11:05:26 AM »
Looks like if you get another #6 turn it around and clamped on would fix the problem.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 02:56:50 PM »
Quote from: WFO on September 02, 2008, 11:05:26 AM
Looks like if you get another #6 turn it around and clamped on would fix the problem.

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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
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Re: This Nullifies My Air Filter. And it makes me sad.
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2008, 06:19:40 PM »
Quote from: 2manybikes on September 03, 2008, 06:57:47 PM
As I was browsing ebay for parts tonight I saw the following item and though of this thread.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CB350F-Air-Box-Filter-Very-Good-Condition_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35597QQihZ025QQitemZ380060202279QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Whoa! Thanks, but I already ordered a replacement from someone on this thread.
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