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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 10:56:30 AM »
The Suzuki arm pictured came on US GS1100's from '80 or '81 thru about '83.

It's a direct upgrade for older GS1000 Suzukis and works well on KZ900/1000 and even CB900F/1100F models.

I haven't measured the front of one to compare it to the CB arm though.

When you swap swing arms, you will generally want to center it in the frame and then you need to line up the sprocket on whatever new wheel you're looking for and then spacers to center the wheel.

To line up the sprocket, you want to compare the distance from the middle of the rear wheel to the back side of the sprocket on both the CB wheel and the replacement wheel.  You may have to mill the sprocket carrier back a bit to move the sprocket in closer to the wheel.  If you're really lucky, the sprocket can be spaced out further to fit, but I usually don't get that lucky.

Use the caliper carrier and caliper and disk that goes with the donor wheel.

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Thank you good to know. In my case with the Kawi arm, I'll get the 150 tire and that's probably more than I'll really need with a true 750cc engine, albeit a hyper one. Hopefully there won't be any spacing issues, and the tire clears the chain. I'll be using the stock hub but since the SA is different the spacers will be too I guess.

It will be a "cafe racer" build and lower unsprung weight from the SA and a smaller brake unit will be the goal.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 10:58:43 AM »
That exhaust is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen, Its freaking perfect!

I put in the  ¥ 399,000 to check the rate and it came up as
3 753.393 U.S. dollars. I thought it was only 800 bucks, I would have got that for 800 dollars. Then I noticed that there was a 3 before the 7  :'(

For a 30 year old motorcycle!  I LOVE it!  :) 
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2008, 11:00:16 AM »
This is going into my CB850Turbo:
SNIP
GSX Suzuki, lighter, stronger and a bit longer than stock. And only $100,-.

Cheers, Rob

Cool. GSX what?  Does the pivot area need spacers, bushings, etc.? Do the shock mounts line up?

First GSX1100 16 valve, think 1981. The bushings from the swing can be turned down by about 2.50 mm each, et voila! Shock mountings line up great, they are only about 1 1/2" further backwards so the rear will come down a bid. I use Koni shocks from a CB900 which are longer than the 750's so that will bring the rear back up again.
That's great and good to know, thanks!
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2008, 05:17:48 PM »
Well for 1500 bucks plus shipping, I think I'll pass. (I can buy a good TIG welder and plenty of aluminium to practise on for that kinda money..............)  ;D

You want thin wall Aluminium Tigger, Terry? I'm your man. Just speak your immigration blokes and send me the ticket. I'll work for board and lodging.


PS My missus asks if she can come along too.

PSS Don't worry I've already said no.

OK mate, you're on, come on over and teach me how to weld ally and I'll get you a job here, done deal! Leave the "ball and chain" back in the old dart, as good as she probably once was, she's past her prime and there's plenty of nice women here, and if you'd prefer one a little more "British" than Aussie chicks, we can order one cheap from New Zealand, Kiwi chicks will do anything to escape the pointy headed, buck toothed, cross eyed, sheep shaggers of "Middle Earth", ha ha! ;D

Back to reality for a mo, I've got an alloy GS/GSX swingarm here, I thought about making some custom swing arm bushes and fitting it to my CB750 endurance racer project, but it's 3 inches longer than the OEM arm, so (unless you're building a drag bike or a hill climber) it's pretty useless in the real world. I thought about shortening it, but it'd be a lot trickier than cutting a couple of inches off the arm. You'll also have to slightly narrow the shock mounts, they're too wide for CB750 shock clevises.

Staying in "realityville" for a few more minutes until the drugs kick back in, there's nothing much wrong with the OEM swingarm. I run a 140/90 - 16" rear tire on my K1 with no problems so unless you're just a "form over function" type, you can install a tire bigger than you'll ever need for the fiercest CB750 racer (most of the post classic racers here in Oz don't go any bigger than 130's anyway, as it makes the steering too slow) with no problems.

The standard arm is a great design, it's already a "box section" so a lot less "flexy" than Kawasaki and Yamaha's offerings from the same period, is not heavy, and is easily "braced" as there are very few "appendages" getting in the way.

You've got a choice of the standard K1-k6 arm for drum brakes, or (my preference) an F2 arm for a rear disc setup. I'm going to install a spare F2 arm on my K1 so I can use the 18" WM5 Borrani rimmed rear wheel with trick cast iron racing rear disc and Bridgestone BT45 130/90-18 rear tire. I think I'll get it chromed first though, I always liked chrome swing arms on CB750's............... Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2008, 01:32:09 AM »
Hey Terry,

What kinda swing is that you're referring to, the GS/GSX? The same as what I have? Mine is just under 2" longer. The swing, that is. ;D

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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2008, 03:30:51 AM »
That exhaust is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen, Its freaking perfect!

I put in the  ¥ 399,000 to check the rate and it came up as
3 753.393 U.S. dollars. I thought it was only 800 bucks, I would have got that for 800 dollars. Then I noticed that there was a 3 before the 7  :'(

Yeah. I've been drooling over those pipes for a while now. Their website has been getting better and better, though. It must be tough to maintain a website like that, though. The price of those pipes keeps going up and up and up...

... still drooling, though...
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2008, 03:53:28 AM »
Hey Terry,

What kinda swing is that you're referring to, the GS/GSX? The same as what I have? Mine is just under 2" longer. The swing, that is. ;D

Rob. ;)

G'Day Rob, my alloy arm is off an early GSX1100 Katana, I believe. I'll measure it again tomorrow, but I'm sure the overall length is 3 inches longer than the stock K1 arm on my bike now. I'll take a pic of both of them side by side, so you can see the difference. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2008, 06:11:04 AM »
This is going into my CB850Turbo:

GSX Suzuki, lighter, stronger and a bit longer than stock. And only $100,-.

Cheers, Rob

I'm guessing this is alloy (alum) correct?  I'm only basing this off the size of the welds that are visible, but I suppose it could be steel.  Anyhoo...What wheel/tire setup are you planning on using for your turbo project.  I like the look of this swingarm as it still appears somewhat stock.

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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2008, 06:45:59 AM »
This is going into my CB850Turbo:

GSX Suzuki, lighter, stronger and a bit longer than stock. And only $100,-.

Cheers, Rob

I'm guessing this is alloy (alum) correct?  I'm only basing this off the size of the welds that are visible, but I suppose it could be steel.  Anyhoo...What wheel/tire setup are you planning on using for your turbo project.  I like the look of this swingarm as it still appears somewhat stock.

-Chris

Hey Chris,

Yes, this is a aluminium swingarm, coming from suziki GSX1100. I like the looks and the fact that it's light.
I am planning to use period wheel and tire setup, like 130 in the rear. It's nice to loose some grip at traffic lights!! Want to keep it real Old Skool.

cherrs, Rob


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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2008, 10:56:11 AM »
Well, today managed to put the swingarm in the frame, and I must say it is not a walk in the park. Hoped it was but once you put it in, like Terry from Oz said, some dimensions are a bit off. But hey, if they weren't it would be a bit dull I quess.


Last one shows the off-set between shockclevis and swingarm.

When I measured the clevis of the Koni(Alu type) and of a Hagon there is a difference of nearly
1 m/m. The Hagon are wider and therefore more suitable for this swing. Another small setback is that the swing has been designed to take a 17" rear and so the wheel cannot be moved to the front of the swingarm 'cause it will be in contact with the swing. Well at least it looks great.

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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2008, 03:55:55 AM »
That looks great Rob, I didn't get a chance to take some pics today, it's "Fathers Day" here in Oz today and the family took me out for lunch and a movie (If you haven't seen the movie "In Bruges" you really should, it's a great movie, and Bruges is where my family came from 1000 years ago, so I felt right at home looking at the ancient city, ha ha!) and my garage time was cut short, but I will next weekend. (I'm away working at an Air Force base in the country all week) Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2008, 06:05:26 AM »
Agreed, looks good.  Yeah, all the fiddling that we end up doing with projects like becomes sooo worth it in the end.  I am curious if you had any unforeseen tweaking to do with the pivot (shimming/trimming you DIDN'T expect), and how much side to side space do you have inside the swingarm?  By this, I mean with your wheel backed off to where it's not rubbing (18" I assume?), how much space is between the edges of your tire and the inside edges of the swingarm?  I ask because I run a 17" from a '77, and will be fitting a slightly fatter tire (130) in whatever I ending up working with.
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2008, 06:57:20 AM »
Suzuki GSX swingarm is good up to 180mm tire.
Been there, done that  ;).

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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2008, 07:18:39 AM »
Suzuki GSX swingarm is good up to 180mm tire.
Been there, done that  ;).
A 180 x what? 17" and/or 18"?  Also, what pivot area mods did you require? Shims, spacers, etc.

I didn't expect this thread to take this direction, I was just drooling over the store bought stuff, when I started it, but I really appreciate the data and experience that's being offered on grafting other arms into the CB.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2008, 07:58:14 AM »
A note on matching up rear axles with different rims, get your ID(axle) and OD(wheel) measurements and go to a bearing warehouse and see if they have a match. That will make your life easy.
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2008, 10:29:57 AM »
It's funny I stumbled onto this thread, because I was just talking to one of the members here about an old Dresda swingarm he has on his 500. Hopefully he'll be getting those dimensions back to me soon so I can make a prototype that's based off of that part. I hope to make several more in both aluminum and cromoly steel, if there is a market for them. I'm also in the development stages of making some very simple universal rearsets. Any input/suggestions and help would be great.

Brad

P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread. I'm planning on doing my own thread once I'm finished with the prototypes.

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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2008, 11:04:03 AM »
A 180 x what? 17" and/or 18"?  Also, what pivot area mods did you require? Shims, spacers, etc.

I didn't expect this thread to take this direction, I was just drooling over the store bought stuff, when I started it, but I really appreciate the data and experience that's being offered on grafting other arms into the CB.
180/55 17". Not on a Honda though  ;D.
I just said the swingarm works with a 180 wide tire, my friend has a setup like that on his 1982 Katana.Stock swingarm, Kawasaki 5½" wheel, 180/55 17" tire.

I have a 160/60 17" on my CB with a shortened Yamaha TRX 850 swingarm.

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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2008, 11:07:25 AM »
A note on matching up rear axles with different rims, get your ID(axle) and OD(wheel) measurements and go to a bearing warehouse and see if they have a match. That will make your life easy.
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Most Japanese bikes since 70's to at least early 90's use the same ID axle.
At least that's my experience with many "updates" I've been involved in.
Yamaha FZR, Suzuki GSX 750, 1100, Kawasaki GPz 750 etc. etc. same rear axle ID.
Good point about the bearing warehouse though.
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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2008, 11:43:44 AM »
A 180 x what? 17" and/or 18"?  Also, what pivot area mods did you require? Shims, spacers, etc.

I didn't expect this thread to take this direction, I was just drooling over the store bought stuff, when I started it, but I really appreciate the data and experience that's being offered on grafting other arms into the CB.
180/55 17". Not on a Honda though  ;D.
I just said the swingarm works with a 180 wide tire, my friend has a setup like that on his 1982 Katana.Stock swingarm, Kawasaki 5½" wheel, 180/55 17" tire.

I have a 160/60 17" on my CB with a shortened Yamaha TRX 850 swingarm.

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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2008, 11:45:06 AM »
It's funny I stumbled onto this thread, because I was just talking to one of the members here about an old Dresda swingarm he has on his 500. Hopefully he'll be getting those dimensions back to me soon so I can make a prototype that's based off of that part. I hope to make several more in both aluminum and cromoly steel, if there is a market for them. I'm also in the development stages of making some very simple universal rearsets. Any input/suggestions and help would be great.

Brad

P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread. I'm planning on doing my own thread once I'm finished with the prototypes.

Not at all, very interesting.
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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2008, 12:46:28 PM »
Agreed, looks good.  Yeah, all the fiddling that we end up doing with projects like becomes sooo worth it in the end.  I am curious if you had any unforeseen tweaking to do with the pivot (shimming/trimming you DIDN'T expect), and how much side to side space do you have inside the swingarm?  By this, I mean with your wheel backed off to where it's not rubbing (18" I assume?), how much space is between the edges of your tire and the inside edges of the swingarm?  I ask because I run a 17" from a '77, and will be fitting a slightly fatter tire (130) in whatever I ending up working with.

It's been said, running a 17" will go up to 180 wide I quess. A 18" will accept around 150. But 130 17"or 18" is not a problem at all. In the pivot area no problemo, just turn the inner bearing holder down by 6.0 mm each so the width comes to 235 mm total.

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