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Offline RRRToolSolutions

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Head Porting Testimonial
« on: September 07, 2008, 07:22:03 PM »
Guys, I'm writing this here because there are a lot of threads past and current about how to build an engine, what works, what doesn't and what's best bang for the buck, ect. I've just experienced something that is certainly new for me - "head work only" to a stock engine.

I've just gotten my new build broke-in and for the first time since - hammered it good today. This is a testiment to good valve work and polishing and cleaning of the ports. This was what I call a stock build. I simply ball-honed the stock-bore cylinders, Mike Rieck had my 100% stock, 18,000 mile pistons Swain Coatings moly-coated (to make the skirts last forever), new stock rings and clips installed, the original 18,000 mile factory cams were perfect and exact to specs so reused, Kibble White SS valves, keepers, guides, Viton seals, (thanks again Mike!) the original springs were exact to specs for height and lean angles so re-used - in all, this motor went back to stock specs - except I had the head "cleaned-up" - some minor bowl work, all casting flash removed, and a Serdi multi-angle valve job done. With stock exhaust, stock airbox and snorkel all stock - she sizzled the rear when I hit 2nd hard. I've rode a bike exactly like this 32 years ago, this is the same model bike my wife and I used to date on over 30 years ago - that bike would never - never do more than bark the tire. I wasn't going after a tire spin - I was actually checking to see if the 20/50 oil I changed to would solve the oil-pressure light coming on during hard acceleration (it did).

Long story short, never contemplate a build on any old bike (especially these old 2 valver head modles without a good porting job. This build has taught me that even when making mild and non-intentional improvements to the head's flow - the results are dramatic. If I were to add serious porting, big valves, 32mm carbs, big cams (oops I did say plural) and 1,015 cc - my little 836 won't measure up.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 07:49:24 PM »
Guys, I'm writing this here because there are a lot of threads past and current about how to build an engine, what works, what doesn't and what's best bang for the buck, ect. I've just experienced something that is certainly new for me - "head work only" to a stock engine.

I've just gotten my new build broke-in and for the first time since - hammered it good today. This is a testiment to good valve work and polishing and cleaning of the ports. This was what I call a stock build. I simply ball-honed the stock-bore cylinders, Mike Rieck had my 100% stock, 18,000 mile pistons Swain Coatings moly-coated (to make the skirts last forever), new stock rings and clips installed, the original 18,000 mile factory cams were perfect and exact to specs so reused, Kibble White SS valves, keepers, guides, Viton seals, (thanks again Mike!) the original springs were exact to specs for height and lean angles so re-used - in all, this motor went back to stock specs - except I had the head "cleaned-up" - some minor bowl work, all casting flash removed, and a Serdi multi-angle valve job done. With stock exhaust, stock airbox and snorkel all stock - she sizzled the rear when I hit 2nd hard. I've rode a bike exactly like this 32 years ago, this is the same model bike my wife and I used to date on over 30 years ago - that bike would never - never do more than bark the tire. I wasn't going after a tire spin - I was actually checking to see if the 20/50 oil I changed to would solve the oil-pressure light coming on during hard acceleration (it did).

Long story short, never contemplate a build on any old bike (especially these old 2 valver head modles without a good porting job. This build has taught me that even when making mild and non-intentional improvements to the head's flow - the results are dramatic. If I were to add serious porting, big valves, 32mm carbs, big cams (oops I did say plural) and 1,015 cc - my little 836 won't measure up.

end of story - Gordon

Gordon,

I agree 100%.  The Stage 3 port job and top end work that Mike performed on my engine does really make a huge power difference in these old engines. For those that really want to wake up these mills, you can go all out like I did, but it isn't necessary.  A good top end job will make you grin when you twist your wrist.  I am not getting tire spin in 2nd gear probably because, by then, I am only on my rear wheel. ;D   However, all bets are off in first gear launches above 4000 RPMs.  My rear tire tells that tale with its flat spot.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 07:56:36 PM »
Mike just called me yesterday to tell me he just finished the work on my head and it's ready to ship.  I went for broke, literally, and got the full works. Stage 3 port with new kibblewhite valves (with oversize intake), hd springs, and Ti retainers.  My 836 is still months away from being finished, but I'm already getting chills just thinking about it.  ;D

Oh, and if your reading this Mike, I do intend on calling you back tomorrow.  I just had a long busy weekend and have been putting it off a bit.  Sorry about that.
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 08:46:51 PM »
mike did the head on my 718 (stage 1, mike? 2?). there's a hell of a lot more going on there than just the porting, but it really breathes well. gone from 90 mains on the stock 650 head to 120s and still lean. i'm running 135s right now, because they were the only larger mains i had laying around. i can tell it's too rich, but it's way happier and more powerful than it was with 120s. the cam helps, but it wouldn't too much good without mike's fine porting.

oh yeah, i accidentally broke the rear wheel loose today at about 50MPH when i gunned the throttle. that's with sticky pirelli sport demons. i thought i had blown my rear tire or something it was hopping around so much and squealing.  :o
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 10:38:02 PM »
so who is this "mike" and where do i get one?
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 10:53:09 PM »
so who is this "mike" and where do i get one?

forum member "MReick." PM him for prices.
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 04:37:39 AM »
Another glowing alocade for Mike, i'm just ashamed that in the current market and having moved house recently I simply cant afford to build a decent motor to fit the head he did for me on----Its all in the planning just witing a reduced overdraft
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 04:56:58 AM »
so who is this "mike" and where do i get one?

forum member "MReick." PM him for prices.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 12:20:18 PM »
Could somebody clearify... what is a stage 1,2 or 3 head job?

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 12:58:36 PM »
+1 on MRieck's great head work.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 01:16:18 PM »
Hmm. Sounds like all I really need is head work and a cam.   I'll probably be talking to Mike this winter.
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 05:11:29 PM »
Mike has 2 of my Honda heads and is about to get my 2 valve GS850 2 valve head for his stage 3 work
that will be going on my GS 750/840 and then I can use my 34mm Flat slides to go with the 34 mm intake ports
that the 850 head has over the stock 29s. Cant wait to get it on the dyno

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 05:56:00 PM »
For all you newbies that don't know Mike, he is not just a cylinder head expert, he's a very talented person in all aspects of tuning motorcycle engines.
Although I live 5,000 miles away from Mike, I am very proud to carry his JMR stickers on my race bikes, his help and support to my team has been unrelenting over the last three years. A true friend to Chris and myself.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 06:41:54 PM »
For all you newbies that don't know Mike, he is not just a cylinder head expert, he's a very talented person in all aspects of tuning motorcycle engines.
Although I live 5,000 miles away from Mike, I am very proud to carry his JMR stickers on my race bikes, his help and support to my team has been unrelenting over the last three years. A true friend to Chris and myself.

Sam. ;)
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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 06:58:16 PM »
I'm sure if you ask Art and get your bike down to a drag strip ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 07:00:06 PM »
For all you newbies that don't know Mike, he is not just a cylinder head expert, he's a very talented person in all aspects of tuning motorcycle engines.
Although I live 5,000 miles away from Mike, I am very proud to carry his JMR stickers on my race bikes, his help and support to my team has been unrelenting over the last three years. A true friend to Chris and myself.

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2008, 07:05:44 PM »
For all you newbies that don't know Mike, he is not just a cylinder head expert, he's a very talented person in all aspects of tuning motorcycle engines.
Although I live 5,000 miles away from Mike, I am very proud to carry his JMR stickers on my race bikes, his help and support to my team has been unrelenting over the last three years. A true friend to Chris and myself.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2008, 07:08:40 PM »
Could I get a sticker with my cb head?  My bike may not find a drag strip, but I'm sure I could find a good place to put it. ;D

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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2008, 07:12:24 PM »
Could I get a sticker with my cb head?  My bike may not find a drag strip, but I'm sure I could find a good place to put it. ;D

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2008, 07:38:43 PM »
I've started a JMR advertising campaign ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 07:04:31 AM »
I would also like to know the differences between the stages.  I think I may be finally ready this winter to get head work done and am lookin to use the webcam 41a grind. As I want to keep the motor stock and just do headwork(would like another motor first) I would like to know what the stages are.

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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2008, 07:14:45 AM »
Send a PM to Mike and you'll receive a very decent list with work, prices etc. I will definitely let Mike prepare a head for me, money allowed.

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2008, 01:01:06 PM »
Voxonda,

There's a guy in the Netherlands that specializes in enginetuning for our bikes. He just did my head, I didn't go for bigger valves etc. but it was gasflowed and ported.

There's a few pics in my "project"tread. What do you guys think of it?
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=39887.0

It will not be as great as Mrieck's work, but far more economical. You'll also save yourself the shipping costs. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2008, 01:39:30 PM »
I have one of the famous JMR stickers  ;).....you are not a "real" SOHC rider without one  ;) ;D

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Re: Head Porting Testimonial
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2008, 04:14:22 PM »
I would also like to know the differences between the stages.  I think I may be finally ready this winter to get head work done and am lookin to use the webcam 41a grind. As I want to keep the motor stock and just do headwork(would like another motor first) I would like to know what the stages are.

Eldy, Stage 1 is fast. :)
       Stage 2 is very fast.  8)
       Stage 3 is fcuking rapid ::) ::) ::) ::)

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