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1971 CB750
« on: September 07, 2008, 09:00:58 PM »
Got this from my step dad, it has been sitting in the garage since 1982, started working on it last August.  Just one of many 750 projects I have...sigh.  Someday i'll stop playing around and get me a sandcast(pipe dream) but most likely diecast 750.









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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 01:41:20 AM »
G`day mate
You started out with a couple of freaky pics, but the following images are a big improvement and looks like your doing one hell of a job on the old girl.
Looking forward to seeing more pics of your work

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 04:34:06 AM »
G`day mate
You started out with a couple of freaky pics, but the following images are a big improvement and looks like your doing one hell of a job on the old girl.
Looking forward to seeing more pics of your work

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 05:41:16 AM »
Very nice and love the colour!

Looking forward to more updates!

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 07:09:12 AM »
Hi, Scooter, can you let us know what you did to you're crankcases, barrels and head to get in that lovely shine??

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 09:49:06 AM »
Hi, Scooter, can you let us know what you did to you're crankcases, barrels and head to get in that lovely shine??

When I had the engine out, I completely degreased the engine than used wax to polish it.  That is the original finish on the cases believe it or not.

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 10:17:46 AM »
Subscribing to this thread because I'm also returning a 70's chopper to stock (well, maybe some Kerker pipes).
My bike was originally flake sunrise orange, going back with that color. Can't understand why one of the previous owners decided flat black was more attractive than the metallic orange.

Nice work, keep it up.
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 11:33:21 AM »
I always love seeing an old chopper being returned to stock beauty
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 11:45:32 AM »
Now your being part of the community.

Your project is looking really good.

I have a soft spot for the gold color too.
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 12:42:38 PM »
 The orginal state of that bike is amazing. One day I will find something like that, get it running and ride it in its "moded' state.








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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 12:56:19 PM »
i understand you need to do what you need to do to the bike,but its a shame to see these 1970`s rolling pieces of whatever torn apart
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 01:31:02 PM »
Did you use the wax polish on the valve cover too?  Did you have to remove the clear coat?

A sandblaster and a Bench buffer are your friends in dealing with the aluminum parts.  It's alot easier to blast the aluminum parts before buffing them than it is to just straight buff them until it burns through the clear coat.

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 01:52:31 PM »
I always love seeing an old chopper being returned to stock beauty

It's not actually being returned all the way back to stock beauty, I do want to capture the stock lines but with some subtle changes(note the finned engine covers), stock is boring thats why these bikes were so heavily modified in the 70's!  There really wasn't much salvagable from when I got it so it would cost way to much to be truely stock.

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 02:16:57 PM »
she looks great are u sure thats the same bike lol i just wish i had the determination of some of u guys on here
cant wait to see the finished bike
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 07:48:58 PM »
stock is boring thats why these bikes were so heavily modified in the 70's! 

I suppose I can entitle you to your own opinion..... ;D
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 08:02:54 PM »
stock is boring thats why these bikes were so heavily modified in the 70's! 

I suppose I can entitle you to your own opinion..... ;D

I suppose I can entitle you to your opinion to entitle him to his own opinion of entitle  ??? wait... it's gotta be YOUR opinion...  :D

I like it!  More pics!

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2008, 11:06:51 PM »
WOW. I found a 71 750 with the same chopper look and I am just about done turning it into a cafe! It's hard for me to believe that someone did that to CB on porpoise!

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 01:42:56 AM »
I love that original chopper look, reminds me of that movie "Every which way but loose", ha ha!

As much as I like "showroom original" bikes, I was there "back in the day" (I bought my first CB750 new in 1978) and they didn't stay "original" too long, there are probably more "showroom original" CB750's on the road now, than there were then.

Keep up the good work mate, and send me all the old chopper parts, I want to preserve them for posterity, ha ha! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 12:21:04 AM »
Some updates:  Had my hubs mated to some new shouldered excel rims and installed some funky rearsets.




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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2009, 03:51:25 AM »
Hey nice wheels mate, they look like period "Borrani's". Not too keen on your rearsets though, definitely "period" again, but they look a tad "agricultural". Just my opinion though, no offence intended, keep up the good work. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2009, 06:25:17 AM »
I had the unexpected pleasure of seeing this project in real life and it is fantastic. Scooterboy, those rims are insane. Can't wait to see more. Great work. Frankie

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2009, 06:42:56 AM »
  ...Someday i'll stop playing around and get me a sandcast(pipe dream) but most likely diecast 750.


A question I have always had but was afraid to ask...  what is the big deal about sandcast?  Why do you want a sandcast?  I wouldn't know a sandcast if it rolled over my foot.  For me, if it looks good and runs good, I don't care if it was "turd-cast".  Now, please all jump in and brutally educate me on my ignorance of such matters.  ;)
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2009, 06:45:23 AM »
...Cheers, Terry. ;D



I gotta say...  danm fine looking bike.
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2009, 11:55:21 AM »
Ok, I have a Dilema.  I have a NOS K1 Tach and two NOS K2 Speedos.  Im thinking of using the K1 Tach and K2 Speedo together.  For those that don't now the K1 gauges had the "dummy" lights built in the gauges, the K2 and on used the handlebar clamp thingy.  The Tach has the Neutral and Oil Dummy lights, quite honestly the only two warning lights I care about so it might work.  Ill mount them up later and take a pic to see what it will look like.

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2009, 12:56:06 AM »
...Cheers, Terry. ;D



I gotta say...  danm fine looking bike.

Thanks mate, it's a nice old thing, even if I do say so myself! ;D
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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2009, 05:30:27 PM »
  ...Someday i'll stop playing around and get me a sandcast(pipe dream) but most likely diecast 750.


A question I have always had but was afraid to ask...  what is the big deal about sandcast?  Why do you want a sandcast?  I wouldn't know a sandcast if it rolled over my foot.  For me, if it looks good and runs good, I don't care if it was "turd-cast".  Now, please all jump in and brutally educate me on my ignorance of such matters.  ;)
The big deal is simply they were first and were discontinued early. So they are rare, in a series of bikes which is otherwise not rare. It is possible to see by looking, the sandcast leaves a rough finish vs the die-cast smooth finish.

It was in my mind most likely a production decision. The sandcasting was easier and quicker to bring to market, but not economical . The sand has to be remolded after each casting is finished.  I'm not sure if back then they could re-use the sand or not, probably not.  Once it was realized the CB750 would sell well, the switch to Die cast was made. The dies cost more but can be re-used and leave a smoother finish.

Some think it had to do with making the cases stronger and while this was a side-effect of die casting I would bet the reason was more production economics. Sand cast strength is adequate, I think. I could be wrong about some or all of this.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2009, 05:47:15 PM »
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Thanks!  Your theory makes much sense.  So, when I hear people covet one, it is a collectability thing...  like a first edition printing of a favorite book...  got it. ;)
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2009, 06:09:48 PM »
Yup, that's what i think.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2009, 06:18:55 PM »
...Cheers, Terry. ;D

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I gotta say...  danm fine looking bike.

Thanks mate, it's a nice old thing, even if I do say so myself! ;D

Yeah I like it too. Businesslike with a lot to look at.
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2009, 01:52:04 AM »
Thanks for that Ron, and on the sandcast subject, I remember a BMW mechanic telling me about porous Moto Guzzi sandcast castings many years ago, have you heard of this?

He reckoned that the hot oil could actually seep through the casting? I wonder if that is a common problem with all sandcast castings, or was it just unique to moto Guzzi? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2009, 09:02:23 AM »
Thanks for that Ron, and on the sandcast subject, I remember a BMW mechanic telling me about porous Moto Guzzi sandcast castings many years ago, have you heard of this?

He reckoned that the hot oil could actually seep through the casting? I wonder if that is a common problem with all sandcast castings, or was it just unique to moto Guzzi? Cheers, Terry. ;D
That is true. It shouldn't happen if the casting is made properly, but in a mass production scenario, its difficult to keep the quality control high enough on sand castings.

The CB77 had this problem with a certain run of their cylinder heads. Mysterious oil leaks. I can't remember what the fix was. Either they tightened up the quality control on the sand castings, or they switched to die cast, which never (never say never) have this problem.

PS: I just looked it up. It was a combination of porous castings allowing oil to reach a seam between the aluminum casting and the cast iron "skull" of the head including the spark plug hole. Reading this Bulletin from 1966 re: the CB72/77 models, is enlightening to how the factory thought (and thinks)
SL #65 6/1/66 HONDA MOTORCYCLE SERVICE BULLETINS
OIL SEEPAGE NEAR SPARK PLUGS IN ENGINES WITH ALUMINUM CYLINDER HEADS
American Honda receives occasional complaints of the tendency for certain models with
aluminum cylinder heads to seep a small quantity of oil near the spark plugs. In some cases,
dealers have replaced cylinder heads in an effort to eliminate this seepage. This bulletin is
intended to clarify our policy in relation to this problem, and to suggest some countermeasures
that we have found to be effective. In cases where it can be confirmed that the spark plug sealing
washers are not leaking, accumulation of a stain, or oil residue, near the spark plugs can be traced
to oil seepage from the joint between the combustion chamber "skull" and the aluminum cylinder
head casting. Since the spark plugs are threaded into the iron skull, rather than into the soft
aluminum casting, this joint must "come to the surface" near the spark plugs. Although it is no
mystery how oil reaches the outside of the engine, it is difficult to determine the source of the oil.
Apparently, oil reaches the joint from the oil-bearing chambers through internal porosity in the
aluminum casting; such porosity is extremely difficult to avoid.
Once oil enters the joint, it has an
almost unimpeded leak path to the outside because the skull is not bonded to the head casting.
Our studies have shown that machines experiencing this problem can be graded into three broad
categories, based on the severity; each category should be dealt with in a different manner:
1. A stain or oily residue collects near the spark plugs over a period of several days or weeks.
Seepage of this magnitude should be considered a normal, inescapable consequence of the
cylinder head design, and no repair should be attempted. Customers complaining of such seepage
should be assured that no defect exists; suggest more frequent cleaning of the engine.
2. More severe seepage causes definite accumulation of liquid near the plugs; following a hard
run, oil droplets or streaks can be found on the air cleaner covers, etc. Although a "defect" is not
necessarily indicated by this seepage, countermeasures are often necessary to satisfy customers.
We have found that seepage can be slowed or stopped in the following manner: a) Remove spark
plugs and completely clean the region around the plug holes so that the joint between the skull
and the casting can be seen. b) Using a dull punch, punch a ring of depressions, tangent to each
other, in the aluminum immediately outside of the joint.
3. Liquid oil "bubbles" from the skull/head casting joint, puffs of vapor can be seen when the
engine is suddenly accelerated. In these cases, a definite defect is indicated, i.e., actual
separation of the skull and head casting. In most cases, however, the cylinder, rather than the
cylinder head , is the faulty part. We have found this problem to be most commonly related to
"sinkage" of the cylinder sleeve in the cylinder casting, such that the upper surface of the cylinder
sleeve is below the upper surface of the cylinder casting. When this "sinkage" occurs, the
Honda 250-305 Super Hawk Restoration & Maintenance Guide
combustion chamber skull is not forced into intimate contact with the cylinder head casting and
severe oil or vapor leakage, near the sparkplugs can occur. The recommended repair is, of
course, to locate and replace the faulty part.
Source: SL #68 4/29/66 HONDA MOTORCYCLE SERVICE BULLETINS

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Re: 1971 CB750
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2009, 03:23:20 PM »
Thanks for that Ron, and on the sandcast subject, I remember a BMW mechanic telling me about porous Moto Guzzi sandcast castings many years ago, have you heard of this?

He reckoned that the hot oil could actually seep through the casting? I wonder if that is a common problem with all sandcast castings, or was it just unique to moto Guzzi? Cheers, Terry. ;D

This was also thought by some to be one of the problems with the ill-fated Yamaha TX750 of 1974-5. 

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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2009, 11:18:10 PM »

That is true. It shouldn't happen if the casting is made properly, but in a mass production scenario, its difficult to keep the quality control high enough on sand castings.

The CB77 had this problem with a certain run of their cylinder heads. Mysterious oil leaks. I can't remember what the fix was. Either they tightened up the quality control on the sand castings, or they switched to die cast, which never (never say never) have this problem.

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Thanks Ron, that was really interesting, I had one of those little Honda twins in the early 1970's, but I don't think I ever had it running. I kind of wish I had it now.......... ;D


This was also thought by some to be one of the problems with the ill-fated Yamaha TX750 of 1974-5. 

Ha ha, that'd only be one of the minor problems with that mechanical nightmare mate, I remember watching a new one idling on it's centre stand outside the local Yam dealer, it was vibrating so bad it "walked" across the sidewalk and fell into the gutter! They should have left it there...............  ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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