Author Topic: Usage of Loctite  (Read 2293 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kouros

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 231
    • DOUBLESTRIPES.COM
Usage of Loctite
« on: September 15, 2008, 11:19:55 AM »
I have all the bike (CB750 K4) apart and have begun cleaning. So as I get ready for assembly, I'm wondering if I'm supposed to use Loctite on anything.

Can you please identify any bolts (specially Suspension or Drive train) that needs any loctite (Red  or Blue).

I searched and could not find the answer. Thanks in advance.

Kouros
1974 CB750 K4 (Re-build in-progress)

Offline Johnie

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,698
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 11:34:58 AM »
Many times the service manual will specify where to use it.  Off the top of my head I recall the blue Lock-Tite is needed on the 2 front drive sprocket bolts as they have been known to back out.  That is all my brain can recall at the moment...
1970 CB750K0 - Candy Ruby Red
1973 CB750K3 - Candy Bacchus Olive or Sunflake Orange
1970 Chevy Chevelle SS396 - Cortez Silver
1976 GL1000 Sulphur Yellow

Oshkosh, WI  USA

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 12:30:04 PM »
I would think you would use the Blue loctite rather than the Red. The Loctite is used to prevent a bolt from backing out from vibration. About every nut or bolt on the bike is a candidtate.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline shoemanII

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 206
  • just another bike nut
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 02:11:27 PM »
i use service-removable (blue) loctite on front axle clamp bolts, triple clamp bolts, engine mounting bolts.  i reduce each specified torque value just a touch also.
bobp   
'96 ducati carb'd 900ss/cr 
'72 dt2
'77cb550k frankenberry:  '77cb550k frame, '78cb550k engine, '78cb550f tank, unknown front-end

Offline GreenHornet74

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 140
    • 4 Months on CB750s
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 02:20:21 PM »
you should also try putting some on where cable connects to the speedo & rpm tach. i was riding the other day and my the rpm gauge stopped working. pulled over and it somehow the cable got loose and came off.
4 Month Motorcycle Trip Photo Blog...work in progress
http://sorozcojr.tumblr.com/

KingCustomCycles.com

  • Guest
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 04:51:10 PM »
We are lucky, the Harley guys have to use JB Weld on all their fasteners, then the whole bracket just breaks off. ;D

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 05:37:57 PM »
you should also try putting some on where cable connects to the speedo & rpm tach. i was riding the other day and my the rpm gauge stopped working. pulled over and it somehow the cable got loose and came off.
Actually no I would nut use it there. I would use teflon tape, sounds odd, but it will tighten the thread and also cut down on vibration. It is dead stuff.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 05:40:09 PM »
We are lucky, the Harley guys have to use JB Weld on all their fasteners, then the whole bracket just breaks off. ;D

That is very funny. It is also true. I was watching some new HDs this weekend. Never saw engines shake like that. Maybe it's the rubber mounts, but geeze.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline mystic_1

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,071
  • 1970 CB750K
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 05:47:14 PM »
you should also try putting some on where cable connects to the speedo & rpm tach. i was riding the other day and my the rpm gauge stopped working. pulled over and it somehow the cable got loose and came off.
Actually no I would nut use it there. I would use teflon tape, sounds odd, but it will tighten the thread and also cut down on vibration. It is dead stuff.


+1

I think loctite would be overkill for that location, those retaining rings aren't all that durable.  Never needed anything there to keep them in place personally but teflon tape sounds like a good bet.

mystic_1
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."
- John Augustus Shedd

My build thread:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=68952.0

Offline HondaMan

  • Someone took this pic of me before I became a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,802
  • ...not my choice, I was nicknamed...
    • Getting 'em Back on the Road
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 06:26:26 PM »
The only place I use Loctite on these 750s: on used rod bolts, if they were disassembled. Use  blue, and sparingly. Also: 'feel' those bolts back in, as they take a bit of a curve after years of heat-treating, and should go back in the same way. You'll be able to tell which way is easier...  ::)

Nothing else in the engine needs it, if torqued to the right specs: 90-96 inch-lbs. on the 6mm bolts with 15mm or more threads, 200-210 inch-lbs on the 8mm bolts/nuts.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book
Link to My CB500/CB550 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?sortBy=RELEVANCE&page=1&q=my+cb550+book&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
Link to website: https://sohc4shop.com/  (Note: no longer at www.SOHC4shop.com, moved off WWW. in 2024).

Offline wildcatmahone

  • Poseur
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 320
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 07:49:13 PM »
All the front fender mount screws, handle bar clamp....

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: Usage of Loctite
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 08:15:56 PM »
One of the side benefits of Loctite beyond holding a bolt in pace is that it offers a bit of insulation between dissimilar metals. It is not meant as a substitute  for proper torquing. The principal behind torquing  is that it literally stretches the bolt which will try to retract to it's original legnth and thereby exert pressure against the threads and hold tight. Used bolts may have lost some of their ability to retract since they have been stretched already. In this case Loctitie can help a bit. In my industry certain bolts can be torqued to 495 ft lbs and use a 2 part Loctite. They are very difficult to remove. A nice dab of the blue is all you would need.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?