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Offline 754

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Wide wheel on CB 750
« on: September 16, 2008, 08:01:44 PM »
Ayone stuff a 5.5 in rim on a 750?

I will check the offset sprocket, but it is looking like you need around 3/4 inch offset or more..would be better if you could run outboard support.

The rear wheel I picked up is from a 05 R6.. I like the hollow axle and it came with 48Teeth but thinner(520).

Anyone know what size tire is stock on this?

Anyone stuff one like this onto a 750?
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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 01:12:06 AM »
I have been researching this very thing.  Cycle Exchange sells 10mm offset rear sprockets and 10 and 20mm offset fronts.  If you use (according to them) a 1977-78 CB750 rear sprocket carrier (just the plate on the left side of the hub, not the whole hub), it offsets the sprocket 10mm further than 69-76 pieces.  If you combine the 77-78 carrier and a 10mm offset rear sprocket on a 69-76 bike, you'll need the 20mm front.  If you have a 77-78 CB750 (on which the front sprocket is obviously already lined-up with the rear at 10mm further out than 69-76) you use the 10mm front and rear.  Their website says this will clear a 180 or 200 rear tire, but this is when using a custom chopper frame and the swingarm isn't an issue.  Cyclexchange.net explains this well, with pictures.  Also, 20mm is .78 inches, slightly more than 3/4 of an inch

Modern bikes with 5.5 inch rims usually have a 180mm tire from the factory.

Before I came here to Afghanistan for a year, I was looking into this for my bike.  Of course, I can't measure it from here, but I remember the space at the swingarm was going to be very, very close to fitting a 180 in there on an 18 inch rim.  A 17 inch rim will give slightly more room because the swingarm space widens as it gets closer to the hub (but it will be a very slight difference).

On my 78 swingarm, there is a lip at the seam that protrudes inward toward the front edge of the tire.  I personally (many disagree) think it would be fine to trim this lip back where the tire hits it if the tire would fit without removing any material from the actual swingarm wall.  69-76 swingarms are, I think, narrower, but I'm not sure.  A lot of people have swapped swingarms from CBR600s, etc in for the extra room for a wide tire and had eyes for the dual shocks welded on.  A stronger, more modern swingarm may let you better be able to use some of all that traction available with the modern tire, too.

Remember, you'll have to bend the anchor arm for the rear brake out of the way of the wide tire, too.  Some have said that a wide tire will contact the tops of the shocks, too (even Carpy told me this), but I can't for the life of me see how.

I know you said you're thinking of using a modern wheel and therefore don't need a lot of this info, but there it is, in case you decide to lace a wide rim on your stock hub and use that instead.

-Sherm
« Last Edit: September 17, 2008, 01:22:35 AM by bigsherm »

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 12:55:27 PM »
you will likely have to machine back the sprocket face on the Yamaha cush drive to move the rear sprocket in board a bit.  You can only go as far as the edge of the tire though.  I put a ZX6E rear wheel (4.5" I think) with a 160 rear tire onto a '78 750F without having to use an offset front sprocket, but the offset on the Yamaha cush drive could be a lot different than what I was using.

I am in the process of putting a '85 GSXR750 rear wheel (18x3.5) on the back of my '71 750 race bike and had to have the cush drive machined and use an offset front sprocket and I'm still not quite far enough over to get both sprockets in line, but I'm gonna wing it and see how it works.  The cush drive couldn't be machined any further because there wasn't enough material left to safely hole the sprocket bolts.

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 04:05:13 AM »
Triffecpa-

Whn you installed the 160 tire on your 78 CB-F, how much room was left in the swingarm?

What exactly, was the tire size?

How much did it clar the chain by?

I'm researching a 180 on my 78 CB750K swingarm, but on an 18 inch wheel.  Any thoughts on that?

Thanks a LOT,
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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 07:50:01 AM »
My 750F has a Cal-fab swingarm and a 160/70x17 rear wheel, so I don't know that it's gonna be of much help to you.

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 08:59:52 AM »
Sorry to hi-jack but, Triffecpa, what front end is on there and what sort of mods did it take to do it? Same with the rear. That is the best loking F i have seen. Love the light in the front too!

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 01:05:11 PM »
754,i have a 130/16 on my k1 and its super tight.im going to put an early cbr/hurricane swingarm on mine which will afford more than enough room to do what you`re going to do.
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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 02:05:52 PM »
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That's an early 90's ZX600 Kawasaki front end (and rear wheel).  Had to make a custom sterring stem to fit the Kawasaki triples to the CB frame.  Rear was a bit simpler.  Cal-Fab swingarm (finding one is the hard part) was a bolt in.  Can't remember exactly what I had to do to the rear wheel, but I would imagine that I had to machine back the sprocket face on the cush drive to move the sprocket in and the rest was just spacers to center the wheel.  Used the Kawi caliper and rotor and caliper hanger.

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 09:35:56 PM »
I have to chek Cycle X again, I thot I saw only 10mm offset countershaft.


I am thinking with a 20mm offset the tire will fit..but I think outboard support would be a better setup.. but might be impossible without welding.. I got the outside part figured out, but going thru the case lump is the obstacle.
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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2008, 09:40:09 PM »
Well I have good news and bad..


 It looks like there is room for at least 22mm offset, without grinding the case. ;D


 Bad news is it will not clear stock frame, at least not without notching or maybe widening frame. >:(

 The other good news is;
looks like an outside bearing support can be added!.. a bit of work, and may require fabricated sprocket.. but looks like it is an afternoons work.. may require butcherization of sprocket cover or even leaving it off..
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Kelowna B.C.       Canada

My next bike will be a ..ANFOB.....

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73 836cc.. Green, had it for 3 decades!!
Lost quite a few CB 750's along the way

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 10:11:26 PM »
I used a CBR 600 F4 wheel, with the cush drive depth turned down in a lathe to fit this on mine: See it at www.caferacers.net

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 04:55:11 PM »
Duc,

Very cool bike! I like the mix of old and new. Working on a couple myself :)

Couple of questions: Did you have to mount the shocks at an outward angle to accomodate the wider tire? Also, where did you get that fairing?

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 04:29:42 AM »
I used a CBR 600 F4 wheel, with the cush drive depth turned down in a lathe to fit this on mine: See it at www.caferacers.net

Is it possible to see more pics(and bigger) of your bike ???

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Re: Wide wheel on CB 750
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 12:15:41 AM »
Hey guys so did this problem get solved? i have a 1976 cb750 sohc and was wanting to put an 07 r6 rear wheel on. what do i need to do? change swingarm? widen frame? offset sprocket? all of the above im seeing in here. can we brake it down step by step?