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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2008, 04:28:31 PM »
ok i tried twisting the pins out and they wouldnt come out by hand, is it ok to wrap a cloth around them and pull them out? if more material does break off how much am i looking at for a replacement? could this have caused my problem of the bike going dead and not being able to restart?

and thanks for the pic comment, its a 900 dollar camera so it should take good ones haha

also, why i have the boots off what should the heights of the boot be and do you measure them hanging down or turned up where they are turned the other way
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2008, 04:29:27 PM »
Andy, check out this link. It may answer some of your questions. different carbs, but they have a lot in common.
http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/carb/carb.htm


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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2008, 04:31:19 PM »
thanks paul i modified that previous post if you could check it out again

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2008, 04:38:03 PM »
Boots= Floats?? ;)   Check out the link- "setting floats" they describe it better then I can. :-[

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2008, 04:41:37 PM »
Another link- float setting specs.
http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorcycle/text/specs.html

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2008, 04:43:13 PM »
ok i have to go up to school to work on a project but i might work on it more when i get back. advice while i am gone would be greatly appreciated

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2008, 05:00:30 PM »
The main jets are being held in by the o-rings, and probably some crap that's build up over the years.  Soak them with penetrating oil such as Liquid Wrench and in a few hours they should come out much more easily.  To answer your question yes you can cover them with cloth and use pliers to remove them, just keep in mind that they're brass and therefore soft, and also as you can see it's easy to damage the carb bodies if you apply too much force, so be careful.

Carbs don't look too far gone in my opinion, I've certainly seen worse.  There is a fair amount of varnish from gas on the parts, that can definitely cause the poor idling problems you were having.

If you end up needing replacement carbs, check eBay, or post in the Parts Wanted forum here, another forum member may have the parts you need.

For cleaning the parts, look around at your local auto parts store for some carb cleaner in a 1-gallon pail, they usually include a basket for dipping the parts, soak the small parts for about an hour and then hose them off with carb cleaning spray like Gumout.  Also use the gumout to spray out the insides of the float chamber, and spray some down into any passages and holes you seek.  Let everything dry thoroughly and you should be good to go.

More advice, keep the parts separated by carb and make sure that you reinstall them in the same carbs they came from.

Did you download a manual yet?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2008, 05:04:59 PM »
yeah i downloaded some manuals. oh no i didnt keep the jets with the same carbs, but from here on out i will make sure i keep all the pieces with the same carb

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2008, 05:09:09 PM »
Mixing up the jets isn't a huge deal, more important to keep the float valves together because the pin wears into the seat during operation, so putting them into different carbs may mean they don't seal as much.

If you don't already have a brass-bristled brush in your tool set, pick up a couple, they'll clean up the crud nicely without damaging the parts.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2008, 05:09:15 PM »
like i said i might just bite the bullet and take it into the shop bc i am in grad school and am super busy these next 2 weeks. how much am i looking to spend for a tune up and a carb cleaning if needed?

i dont have anything to measure the volts of the battery


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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2008, 05:27:06 PM »
Hope he does not have to sync the carbs if he brakes them all down.  Chances are he does not have a sync tool.

This sure sounds deep for what his issue is.  Sure, it looks to need to be done but ...

I do not think he even knows if there is fuel getting to the carbs or if he is getting spark to his plugs.  It could be just a bad petcock or crud in the tank or a bad controller switch or ignition switch or...

But that is just me and my opinion.  Carry on!


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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2008, 05:40:57 PM »
Hope he does not have to sync the carbs if he brakes them all down.  Chances are he does not have a sync tool.

This sure sounds deep for what his issue is.  Sure, it looks to need to be done but ...

I do not think he even knows if there is fuel getting to the carbs or if he is getting spark to his plugs.  It could be just a bad petcock or crud in the tank or a bad controller switch or ignition switch or...

But that is just me and my opinion.  Carry on!





That's why I said to just clean up the float area and jets, no need to disassemble linkages or disturb sync.

He mentioned some drippage from teh overflow tubes, so probably getting fuel to the carbs.  Andy, was there gas in the float chambers when you took them off?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2008, 07:21:38 PM »
hey guys just got out of my meeting thanks for the replys. there was gas in the carb when I got it off however I don't know if there were in the floats because all drained out before I took the float boots off or whatever u call them. also I took the tank off for easier access and I noticed gas dripping from petcock even in off position.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2008, 07:27:43 PM »
the float boots off or whatever u call them

Float Bowls :)

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2008, 07:29:46 PM »
Mine leaks in the off position too.  I gotta twist it up a tad for it to stop.  Guess I have to rebuild that soon.  Saw it coming from the hoses when I noticed that I hag to twist it up a tad.  Just my 2 cents.
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2008, 07:38:08 PM »
also I notice a hose coming from the top of the cylinder that ran under the carb and didn't connect to anything. anyone know what this is or do I need a pic? should it connect somewhere?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2008, 08:35:10 PM »
i ripped the airbox rubbers a little bit. i will take a pic of them and see if you think i need new ones.

as for this crankscase vent hose would it caused any problems not being connected to the filter? im gonna eat dinner an then work some more on it cleaning the carbs

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2008, 08:49:22 PM »
pic time

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2008, 10:02:11 PM »
found something interesting, i was draining all the gas our of the tank so i put a gas can under it and turned the petcock to on and one flows very well and the other one doesnt flow as fast. i turned it to reserve and the one not flowing well stopped all together what does this mean

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2008, 10:32:59 PM »
Time to clean your petcock.  All pretty normal for an old bike. 

Once you have it running, the problems should be less unless you let it sit again.

Start making a list of parts and tools you're going to need and get things as you can.  You should be able to buy tools and parts for what the shop will charge you -possibly less.

Read the manuals and this site(the search box is your friend) while you're waiting on parts so you can call the parts by their correct names.  Also, if you can use a fiche from a honda parts dealer available on line to see exploded views and list of parts.  www.hondaparts-direct.com is what I use most of the time.  Service Honda has one as well.
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2008, 10:39:56 PM »
ok sure thing. im really worried about those slow idle jets that are stuck i dont know what kind of lube to use to loosen them.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2008, 11:11:12 PM »
also how tight is the clutch handle supose to be, i have pretty strong hands and mine is definitely tight when you pull it, is it supose to be able to be pulled fairly easy?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2008, 11:30:51 PM »
i will try lubing the cable, could the clutch shaft that the cable connects to be what is causing the tightness


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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2008, 12:51:58 AM »
More than likely it is just the cable binding within the outer cable cover.
If you are able to I'd remove the whole cable and clean it away from the bike, that way you can tip CRC or petrol or whatever your favourite muck disloving agent is.
Once it pulls through nice and easy you can slap it back on the bike, if it wont free up then 10-1 the cable is unravelling inside the outer case and its new cable time.

Those oil leaks are sometimes a sign that the previous owner (PO for future reference) failed to do basic maintenence like regular oil changes.
I found with my old 650 that once I had changed the filter the oil and dropped the sump off to remove the 30 odd years of gunge that had settled in the bottom of the sump that the oil leaks stopped altogether so sometimes these leaks are a sign that the sumps are pressurising and forcing oil out through the gasket.
Also if your model has a strainer device ( 650 has one) in the sump you will need to remove that and devarnish it, mine was solid with crap and I don't know why the bike hadn't siezed.
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2008, 02:17:10 AM »
what is the sump?