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Offline cadaver

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so after some time, research and money I have gotten my cb 550f to run, wish i had some pics of the progress ive done ...but long story shot is that I have a new 4-1 mac system installed and today she just fired up ..but is the header pipes suppost to smoke ? is that just the paint burning off what it should ?.... now I just gotta do my research about doing the points and the timing ...ohh and i should take the caps off from the head to make sure the oil is flowing ...later today I know ill have some more question ... If i could just find the time to figure out how to get the pics on this forum ill show you what she looks like now.

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2008, 04:29:50 PM »
yes that will be the paint curing on the pipes.
wouldn't hurt to take the caps off, have a rag handy there should be oil a flyin
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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2008, 09:46:00 PM »
what are some good post or thread's that i could read about doing the timing and to gap the points ? I've found a few but maybe some people have better way? ... and i think the number for the pistons for the wires go from the first cylinder if you sitting on the bike on the left to right its 1 2 3 4 ? ...if so the number one isn't firing but ill get to checking on that tomarrow when I get off from work, ill trouble shoot that in my head all day  :).... and for the pics ..I've never posted any pics on a forum ...and I've read a little on how to do it ...but by the time I'm done working on the bike and then with dinner and the family I've had enuff beers in me that i can get to that  :-[, any help would be nice  ;)

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2008, 10:04:30 PM »
do yourself a favour and either buy or download a manual, it does make life easier.just try searchnear the top, you might have to then go to advanced search, if no one else chimes in I shall find it for you later on
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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2008, 10:09:45 PM »
Timing and points are pretty easy- you just have to make small, patient adjustments (like pretty much anything on a bike).

Do your point gaps first - changing your point gaps can change timing, changing timing shouldn't change point gaps.

You will need some feeler gauges to measure the gaps, a (24mm?) socket wrench to turn the crank, and screwdriver to remove the point cover and adjust the point gaps.

This is how you do it on a 350F, should be similar for the 550. I don't know the gap for your bike, but you can find it in the FAQ or a shop manual.

- Remove point cover.
- Crank the engine by putting the socket wrench on the big ass bolt in the middle and turning it clockwise
- Look through the little window in there, stop on the 1-4 T mark. Cyls 1 and 4 are now top dead center.
- The points on the left are for 1 & 4. Adjust the gap by loosening the screws that hold down the backplate, turn it slightly. The the feeler should just slide in and out. Tighten down screws. Get angry that in doing so you changed your gap a bit, and do it again.
- Do the last two steps for 2 & 3 (Remember to set these to top dead center first, and that these points are on the right. Different screws hold this one down).
- Go back and check that 1 & 4 didn't change. Adjust if necessary and, if you do, check 2 & 3 again. Repeat forever.

Point gaps are set. Timing time.

Go get a timing light. They're like $30, you can use them on every vehicle that you and all your friends work on, it's quicker, easier, and more accurate. And you'll have a pretty sweet laser gun for your Stargate costume this Halloween.

- Clip on the battery clips, clip on the magic spark plug cable clip on # 1 or 4.
- Start bike, set it to idle around 1000 rpm (I believe that's the correct idle speed for your bike)
- Look through the little window in there. Point the gun in. Pull the trigger. You should see the top stationary mark lining up with the F (fire) mark on the timing plate. It won't be, so you're going to need to loosen the bigger giant backplate and rotate it a tiny bit to get 'em to line up.
- Move the magic clip to # 2 or 3 and do the same thing (Remember the timing plate for these is the smaller one on the right)
- Go back and check that 1 & 4 didn't change. Adjust if necessary and, if you do, check 2 & 3 again. Repeat forever.

Enjoy. The second time you do this it will take you 1/10th the time it did the first.

I'm falling asleep while writing this. I'm sure I forgot to mention something.
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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 02:35:18 PM »
thanks all for your help.... I have access to the shop manual but when i look up on how to do the timing i get about half of what it says .all the way till it gets to gaping the points for 2-3 ...thats what im stuck on ...what do i aline the mark up with ?

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 02:39:18 PM »
Timing and point gaps are different. If you're still doing the points, you need to line up the T mark on the rotating plate, for 2-3 (will be marked on rotating plate) with the mark that doesn't move (above it). Then set point gaps with feeler gauge.
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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 02:45:25 PM »
 :-[......... I didnt see that marked on it ..ill rotate it further ...you ever have one of those moments where you feel like the biggest retard? and that would be me today ..thanks for the help Oak..ill go out now and drink a beer for you in the nice sun and do the gaps ;)

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 03:30:30 PM »
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...you ever have one of those moments where you feel like the biggest retard?

Every time I bugger something up  ;D Seriously though, everyone here is super awesome on helping without making you feel dumb.

Just wanted to say congratulations on bringing another beauty back from the dead!!

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2008, 06:33:45 PM »
well i didn't gap the points yet, but went out and pulled the number one spark plug because it wasn't firing ..and the plug was bad ..then when I put in a good one it ran on all 4 , that's my bad because i just assumed that it would work..but i reved it for a few times and got on it with the center stand on and reved it in in first gear ..then second gear ..than a few times in first . then the bike and the lights went dead...DAMN the fuse blew ..then i threw in another one and the same thing ..then let it sit for a few  then threw in another one and now it isn't blowing .....not sure what is going on .. I only have a few hours in the day to work on the bike if the weather is good . so i hope tomarrow it wont rain ..damn NW weather

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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 06:50:22 PM »
sounds like a short in the wiring, you will have to try and isolate that, make a list of when it happens. eg motor running, lights things like that. always try to break a problem down to the small things, if you look at the bike and scream..........she still wont run
 
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Re: Ok now she runs after I shaved her from the graveyard..but have questions
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 07:28:10 PM »
well i wanted to know if my harness was good ...so i took off every wire that was conected the only part that will be a paint to hook up is the headlight bundle in the cover ..ohh well .. i took a vacation day off from work so i can make sure my harness is ok that way i can check that off as good