Topic: Two Tired Withdrawals

[fuzzybutt]

super glue was originally invented for facial cuts, much less scarring than stitches

[Spikeybike]

super glue was originally invented for facial cuts, much less scarring than stitches

really? 

[medic09]

Hey Lloyd, glad you're back with us!  I was off line for few days, I had no idea you were ill.  Pneumonia and PEs is pretty dangerous; I'm truly grateful that you pulled through okay.  Make sure to have your Coumadin levels properly monitered when you're told to.

As for Jona's advice, http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/12/1532 .

[troppo]

Glad to hear your on the mend TT, been wondering where you have been like the others...

super glue was originally invented for facial cuts, much less scarring than stitches

I always thought it was developed during the korean war for use in the medic stations at the front to hold until they could get to a MASH

[andy750]

Glad you are ok Llyod and you are right in that we are all fragile. However, I know your mind is strong and you will pull through this in your characteristic methodical and logical way - just take it easy for now.

Best wishes
Andy

[BobbyR]

Glad to hear your on the mend TT, been wondering where you have been like the others...

super glue was originally invented for facial cuts, much less scarring than stitches

I always thought it was developed during the korean war for use in the medic stations at the front to hold until they could get to a MASH

The super glue was Eastman 910 and it was developed in 1942 at Eastman Kodak. The developer wanted to use it to mount gunsites. Then they tested it for making aircraft canopies. mairIt was put on the shelf until around 1959 when they found it could make a strong bond quickly. They lifted a 1955 Ford with one drop of it on a TV show. In 1964 they stated using it in Vietnam on a limited basis for quick patches. I sometimes ride with a Surgeon and he carries a roll of duct tape as his first aid kit. He can close a cut with it, make a pressure bandage with it, or a splint. In the operating room he uses superglue on a few things..

[burmashave]

Wow TT, you are certainly blessed to be associated with us. You've gotten all kinds of good old biker advice:

  - Follow your doctor's instructions
  - Pack super glue
  - Pack duct tape

I feel better knowing that we've already dispelled the myths about the healing properties of WD40. ;-) And lest anyone think I am casting aspersions, or dispersions for that matter, I've got lots of super glue on hand for emergency use.

[Johnie]

With all this rest Two Tired will have to change is name to Two Wound or something.  Hurry back...

[TwoTired]

I'm overwhelmed with the responses guys.  Who'd've thought a writer with the endearing charms of a reference textbook could have gathered any sort of "following", as it were?

I'm touched that you noticed I wasn't posting.  And, I thank you all for your thoughts and concern.

FYI, the Doc never mentioned super glue as a cut remedy.  He advocated avoidance first and direct pressure on the wound after such an event.  Broken limbs were highly associated with bleeding...to death. (His words)

My rationale is carry a bunch of vitamin K enriched green leafy vegetables.  In the event of a bleed, eat lots of these to make the clots form up at the leak site.    (I wonder if the Health stores sell Vitamin K pills?)

Doc says I have to stay on Coumadin for 9 Months.  Looking forward to an uncomplicated delivery. 

I think if I can get the back issue stabilized, perhaps I can get back to the daily 3-4 mile walks I was doing prior to all this.  The left hip/leg issue is what put me down for weeks with little movement.  The theory is that that's where the clots came from.  In one viewpoint, it is better to have them block bits of lung, than lodge in the heart or brain capillaries.  At least I can still type with two hands and don't have use a spittle cup for uncontrolled drooling!

I like chicken soup, btw.  But, this morning, I had a turkey pattie with a couple scrambled chicken eggs.  It got me thinking.  You can buy chicken parts and their eggs.  But, I can only find turkey at the store.  Why aren't turkey eggs available?
More research needed, I suppose. 

Cheers and well wishes to all!

[Ecosse]

'Why aren't turkey eggs available?"

You know, that's a really good question! I'll have to ask my teacher/Veterinarian's assistant/ chicken farmer sister that and get back to ya. She's the one in our family with the big brain- speaks five languages whereas I can barely manage English.

Hang in there TT, there's too many of us who would be lost without your tutelage.




You are a swell guy too BTW.

[BobbyR]

'Why aren't turkey eggs available?"

You know, that's a really good question! I'll have to ask my teacher/Veterinarian's assistant/ chicken farmer sister that and get back to ya. She's the one in our family with the big brain- speaks five languages whereas I can barely manage English.

Hang in there TT, there's too many of us who would be lost without your tutelage.




You are a swell guy too BTW.

Turkeys don't lay that many eggs, and the ones they do lay are used to produce more turkeys. The average egg-laying chicken lays 300 or so eggs per year, while the average turkey produces only 100 to 120. Chickens come into production at 19 to 20 weeks of age, but turkeys don't get cranking until 32 weeks. Turkeys are also much larger, averaging 16 to 17 pounds compared to 3.5 pounds for chickens. So you'd need a lot more room for a bird that would take a lot longer to produce a lot fewer eggs.

[medic09]

Hey Lloyd, really glad to see you back here.

SuperGlue was used already in Vietnam by medics for small wounds.  I don't recommend it.  Today's Dermabond and the veterinary versions are much better.  Besides, on anticoagulants the danger isn't bleeding from an open wound; the danger is internal bleeding which often isn't even found until the patient is in some trouble.  Sorry for that downer.  Just take care a bit, eh? 

As for eggs, I think BobbyR already gave most of the answer.  I'll just add that I've raised turkeys and hens.  We used to pack up turkeys for slaughter when I was on a kibbutz in Israel.  Those birds are mean and dangerous.  When I gather eggs now from our chicken hens, they maybe peck a bit; but no harm done.  I can easily imagine that a turkey hen would take my eye out!  We often had someone handle one of the turkeys wrong and come out with serious lacerations.  I'll keep gathering chicken eggs, thank you.

[Sporkfly]

If you look outside of your local supermarket you might have a chance at finding eggs other than chicken eggs. Local farmer's markets, co-ops and the like. Be warned, it will not taste like a chicken egg and you might not like it. If you can find emu eggs, you can make one big omelet! It's about the equivalent of 10 (ten!) chicken eggs. Ostrich eggs are about 24 (two dozen  ) chicken eggs, but those might be a tad harder to come by .

Also, it does look like you can get vitamin K supplements, in case you were genuinely interested.

I noticed your absence as well TT. Good to hear you're home and getting well.

[BobbyR]

Coagulation (clotting)

The ability to bind calcium ions (Ca2+) is required for the activation of the seven vitamin K-dependent clotting factors, or proteins, in the coagulation cascade. The term, coagulation cascade, refers to a series of events, each dependent on the other, that stop bleeding through clot formation. Vitamin K-dependent gamma-carboxylation of specific glutamic acid residues in those proteins makes it possible for them to bind calcium. Factors II (prothrombin), VII, IX, and X make up the core of the coagulation cascade. Protein Z appears to enhance the action of thrombin (the activated form of prothrombin) by promoting its association with phospholipids in cell membranes. Protein C and protein S are anticoagulant proteins that provide control and balance in the coagulation cascade; protein Z also has an anticoagulatory function. Control mechanisms for the coagulation cascade exist, because uncontrolled clotting may be as life threatening as uncontrolled bleeding. Vitamin K-dependent coagulation factors are synthesized in the liver. Consequently, severe liver disease results in lower blood levels of vitamin K-dependent clotting factors and an increased risk of uncontrolled bleeding (hemorrhage) (.

Some people are at risk of forming clots, which could block the flow of blood in arteries of the heart, brain, or lungs, resulting in heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism, respectively. Some oral anticoagulants, such as warfarin (Coumadin), inhibit coagulation through antagonism of the action of vitamin K. Although vitamin K is a fat-soluble vitamin, the body stores very little of it, and its stores are rapidly depleted without regular dietary intake. Perhaps, because of its limited ability to store vitamin K, the body recycles it through a process called the vitamin K cycle. The vitamin K cycle allows a small amount of vitamin K to function in the gamma-carboxylation of proteins many times, decreasing the dietary requirement. Warfarin prevents the recycling of vitamin K by inhibiting two important reactions and creating a functional vitamin K deficiency (see diagram). Inadequate gamma-carboxylation of vitamin K-dependent coagulation proteins interferes with the coagulation cascade, which inhibits blood clot formation. Large quantities of dietary or supplemental vitamin K can overcome the anticoagulant effect of vitamin K antagonists, so patients taking these drugs are cautioned against consuming very large or highly variable quantities of vitamin K in their diets (see Drug interactions). Experts now advise a reasonably constant dietary intake of vitamin K that meets current dietary recommendations (90-120 mcg/day) for patients on vitamin K antagonists like warfarin (9).

If you want to read further http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminK/

[burmashave]

Does anyone else notice the bizarro-ness of a thread that starts by missing TT, then moves on to concern about TT before delving into a discussion about turkey eggs? Only here. I feel at home. ;-)

[martino1972]

Does anyone else notice the bizarro-ness of a thread that starts by missing TT, then moves on to concern about TT before delving into a discussion about turkey eggs? Only here. I feel at home. ;-)

and we are even getting slow,normally it takes only two pages to get from a piston to the boobs from pam....

[Spikeybike]

Does anyone else notice the bizarro-ness of a thread that starts by missing TT, then moves on to concern about TT before delving into a discussion about turkey eggs? Only here. I feel at home. ;-)

and we are even getting slow,normally it takes only two pages to get from a piston to the boobs from pam....

 

[paulages]

hope you make your way back to good health, lloyd. don't know what half the people on here would do without you when staring into a spaghetti rats nest of a wiring mess.

[dustyc]

Man, I just now read this.  I figured you were taking a break or were out of town or something.  Get well soon. 

[NH_CB550F]

Hello TT, I'm glad to hear that you're on the mend.

Believe it or not, regular old Parsley (raw) is very high in Vitamin K. Pretty much at the top of the list after Amaranth leaves.  I grow it here in New Hampshah and it survives the winter even underneath the snow. I throw it in lots of dishes and salads. Its also a natural breath freshener (Chlorophyll).

Other Green Leafies high in Vitamin K ....  in the following order...
Swiss Chard, Kale, Spinach , Mustard & Turnip, Mustard Greens followed by Collards after that. 

A great way of getting plenty of vitamins from raw green leafies is by using a juicer. I throw kale, parsley , carrots and an apple together and its like a milkshake !

This is the least we can do after all you've contributed to our boards here.
Thank you once again TT for all of your assistance.


http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000104000000000000000.html

[750K2]

lloyd - great to have you back as your advise and  comments help make this site worthwhile.  i bet the number of people who've gained from your advise are legion, myself included.  now..about those turkeys.   i HIGHLY caution you against ruffling the feathers of your local wild turkey in search of a good omlet.  they're nasty, ill-tempered critters and have very large spurs on their spiked feet.  (no offense spikey).  this may help to explain the lack of a substansial turkey egg industry. 
but if you do insist on hunting one down, i suggest the duct tape, some vitamin K and of course the super glue in your first aid kit.   let's not forget that wild turkeys nest in trees and you'll have to do some climbing so there's some ropes, cleats, and a harness involved.  full-face helmet of course, to avoid being pecked to death.  full leather, and gloves.  and someone has to come along to take pictures because you KNOW we all LOVE pictures.  i myself eagerly await the resulting posts.  good luck!

[manjisann]

I'm overwhelmed with the responses guys.  Who'd've thought a writer with the endearing charms of a reference textbook could have gathered any sort of "following", as it were?

It is your textbook answers with a bit of whit thrown in that makes you so endearing!! I also want to throw my gratitude in the pile, as I have learned more from you ( and a few others who will remain nameless, after all this is a thread about you  ) than I ever could have from the uninformative manuals that are out there. Have a speedy recovery!!

Brandon

[Spikeybike]

I'm overwhelmed with the responses guys.  Who'd've thought a writer with the endearing charms of a reference textbook could have gathered any sort of "following", as it were?

wait TT has endearing charms, did i miss something.  are we talkin about the same guy

 

[burmashave]

Still on the mend, TT?

[TwoTired]

Doing much better, thanks.

The lungs seem to be working far better, and my coughing fits are down to once or twice a day. 

I keep overdoing physical activity.  Leaves me with muscle spasms, most recently in my back.  Takes forever to heal them.  I don't know if it's the Coumadin or simply age.  Bruises I got in the hospital from Lovenox shots (anti-coagulants) a month ago are still visible, though clearly fading (slowly).  I suspect the Coumadin does something to retard healing and that goes for sore muscles, too.  Everything seems to take twice as long to heal.  Which is frustrating.  I was always a pretty fast healer.  Something I didn't appreciate enough.

Today is the second day in a row I could go for a 20-25 minute walk.  I'm told to build up activity slowly.  Used to walk an hour to an hour and a half a day (Back in June).

My dad had Pneumonia at age 67.  He was a heavy smoker.  He survived, amazingly, even with emphesema (sp), but just barely.  He was in critical for 2 weeks and in the hospital for 2 months.  He stayed away from smoking for a few years.  Then got Leukemia 6 months after restarting cigarettes.
I know it sounds like preaching.  But, you smokers aren't doing yourselves any favors.  Doesn't help to be poisoned and then get an illness on top of that.

Still, I waited far to long to get medical help.  I was in much better shape than my dad, and it still nearly killed me at age 60.
Doc says an accident on a motorcycle will likely kill me.  Any kind of brain bruise will pool blood.  So, I'm staying off bikes for now.

Tomorrow is Camaro-The-Lemon injector overhaul day.  It will be nice to get that rediculous smog test annoyance out of the way.  The actual measured emissions are far below requirements.  But, the stupid computer lights the check engine light every now and then.  So, the tech won't pass it.

Laws made by Democrats sticking it to the people.  It amazes me that people keep voting in incumbents who clearly have no regard for their constituents, (other than the pool of money they represent).

Which reminds me, to help with California's budget problems and personal pork barrels, the Democrat controlled government here have passed a law to increase all vehicle registrations $20 (government vehicles exempt, of course).  $51 last year, $71 next year, per Motorcycle.  That's 140 percent of last years fee.  That's how Dems deal with recession.  Legalized extortion.  I voted for none of them, and against all of them.
Yes, I AM bitter.  Next they'll use voting records to do selective lobotomies on those that disagree.  Must have a harmonious society, you know.

Sorry for the rant.    Caught me at a sensitive time, I guess.

Cheers, and thanks for the query!