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Offline jakecb420

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cb350f carbs any advice?
« on: September 29, 2008, 05:19:05 PM »
hi, i am about to rebuild my first set of 350 carbs off a 73 cb350f. i am mechanically inclined somewhat or atleast i call myself a mechanic. i am famaliar with 750 carbs but havent done a total rebuild on them by myself. what i was wondering was if there was any tips or tricks that i should know that the clymer manual doesnt cover. thanks for any help.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 07:00:51 PM »
don't seperate the carbs from the rack.  The T fittings that feed fuel to the carbs on the 350F and 400F carbs have a tendency to break and replacements are pretty much non-existant. 

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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 07:32:51 PM »
I can add that when you put them back on the bike space is tight. I use a space heater to warm all the rubber and plastic airbox so its much more pliable.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 07:47:27 PM »
I have to say that when I took my carbs completely apart I had no issues with the plasic T. Then again, my rubber is also quite plyable yet so maybe that plastic T just hasn't weakened as much as other 350's.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 08:03:06 PM »
I wouldn't be too scared of taking them off the rack becasue of the fuel connectors. You just have to unscrew and slide all four off the rack together. The scary part is getting all the connectors, tubes, choke linkages, and the spring... all engaged properly on reassembly as all four have to go back in together. This is a pretty good trick. You may break a fuel connector if you get cute and try to manoeuvre a single one around to, say, get a misaligned choke linkage together.
You don't really gain much by having the four bodies separated unless you need to do a dip in serious carb stripper/cleaner, or have a fuel leak from one of those fuel connectors. The chokes aren't made to be disassembled - although they can be. The throttle linkages are maybe best left together, there's rather a lot of fiddly little pieces involved and they usually don't need much attention. The main throttle actuating system - the bellcranks and cable wheel stuff - is pinned together and is truly a bugger to take apart.
If you plan on polishing or replating all the pieces or some similar project, go ahead. If you want to revive a gummed up carb rack I would try and leave the rack together. If you have to resort to Berryman's or similar then it has to come apart as the chemical will eat the plastic fuel connectors and vent connectors, plus the fuel ones have O-rings that might dissolve. You will have to remove the choke plates to take out the mounting rods as there is a plastic washer thingy and a felt washer or two to be removed. The throttle rods also have these parts if I recall correctly. You can get tiny fuel proof hose to replace the (fossilized by now) vent connectors at hobby shops dealing in planes/cars/boats with internal combustion engines... but it all seems to be in neon flourescent colours. The Honda gasket kit has every O-ring in the carb plus the bowl and slide link cover gasket. The felt seals are not available, remove them very carefully and wash them out with acetone. The can be reinstalled successfully if you are gentle when working with them, soak them in acetone then gently press between a few sheets of paper towel, repeat a few times until whitish.
The exploded diagram in the Honda shop manual is pretty damn good for reassembly but TAKE A BUNCH OF PICTURES anyway. The choke lever is pretty complex. The way the throttle linkages fit together is tricky.
Have four bins with lids - disposable food saver tubs are excellent - and keep all the parts for each individual carb in one, plus an extra for other parts not attributable to any one carb. Watch out if you pull the choke lever off, there's a tiny ball and spring that give it the click closed feel.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 08:10:05 PM »
There is no advantage to disassembling the rack, and at least one advantage to keep it together..  Keeping it together will keep some semblance of synchronization.  It will be no worse when it was parked.  And if those Ts are clogged, they are easily cleared without de-racking(is that a word?).

One other tip;  There is a clip on the main jet that springs against the bowl.  Do not lose this, as it also is made of unobtainium.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 05:43:17 PM »
holy smokes, thanks for the input. i am afraid that these carbs are gummed up. the tank was one big ball of rust inside with some 20 year old gas sloshing around. i will take heed to everyones advice. i gonna have to asses the situation again. thanks again.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 06:56:08 PM »
Once you get the bowls off you will see what you're really dealing with. Having gas in the tank is a good sign after 20 years. The worst possible situation is where a bike was parked for decades with a full tank and the petcock ON... the gas slowly evaporates in the carbs and gets replenished from the tank, turning into a horribly concentrated corrosive tar made of the unevaporated fuel additives mixed with atmospheric water. These are just garbage when the white metal carb body parts dissolve away.
There will probably be some corrosion damage in the bowls but as long as the float pins are secure and the jet seals OK you shouldn't have big problems. Using carb spray cleaner and an air gun to blast out the various internal passages should be sufficient.
If the previous owner turned off the petcock and drained the bowls before storage the carb insides should look as good as new. Finding that is the fantasy of everyone who pops open a vintage carb.

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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 04:53:00 AM »
thats the truth. another problem that i didnt mention was that the one ear on top of the carbs that has a pinch bolt holding it onto the bar running along all four is cracked, i was thinking about maybe drilling it and putting a pin through if you can follow what im talking about.  might have to try to find one for parts, dont know yet.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2008, 05:55:33 AM »
its a catch 22 if you seperate the rack or not.

 All the goo that is in your float bowls is probably also in your fuel line passages. A cleaning may just break up the goo and then deposit it in your carb when it is put back in service. On the other hand, it could be spotless in the fuel passages. You wont know with out taking the carbs apart from the rack. Its a PITA, but it is better to do it once and do it right.
  I prefer to totally take carbs apart to clean everthing out. That way I know there will be no problems with goo.

I heard the saying years ago " you have all the time in the world to do it correctly, what you dont have is the time to do it twice"
 If you dont take them completely apart, at least clean the fuel passages completely and when they are clean, clean them again (to be sure).
 
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2008, 05:22:36 PM »
thanks again, i gave it a go today and ended up breaking one of the ears off that holds the brass pin that the float rides on. it was on the #2 carb. damn. the brass pin must have mushroomed and wouldnt go through the float. me being the dolt that i am must have forced it, and broke the ear. the on the #3 the same thing started to happen, so i cut the pin with a dremel in between the ear and the float real careful like. called a vintage bike shop up and the dude said he has another rack but is unsure of the shape. i gotta go see what he has to offer.
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Re: cb350f carbs any advice?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2008, 09:23:18 PM »
You discovered that you need to be gentle with these little carbs - I know I did.  I tried to shortcut and not take mine apart.  I bought a used rack of carbs that I thought would be good because the seller said they were running no problem, but when I installed they, like my original set, leaked out the overflow tubes.  I ultimately took mine off the rack and completely apart to clean and rebuild using spare parts off my purchased rack along with new Honda parts where needed, and when available.  I wouldn't recommend any other option if you're planning to keep the bike.  Rebuilding these little carbs is truly a labor of love.  Work deliberately, have patience and take your time.  I can tell you from experience like yours with a gas tank in much the same condition, it will be worth it in the end.  There are other posts on this forum with good tips - try a "search" on CB350F carbs.
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