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Chain Tensile strength
« on: October 07, 2008, 05:27:58 PM »
Still relatively new to street bikes been riding dirt, enduro, trials bikes all my life so what is the recommended Tensile strength of a good quality streetbike chain?
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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 05:29:16 PM »
Still relatively new to street bikes been riding dirt, enduro, trials bikes all my life so what is the recommended Tensile strength of a good quality streetbike chain?

What CC?

350 doesn't need the same as a big bore 750......

Some are just overkill...
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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 05:31:58 PM »
Still relatively new to street bikes been riding dirt, enduro, trials bikes all my life so what is the recommended Tensile strength of a good quality streetbike chain?

What CC?

350 doesn't need the same as a big bore 750......

Some are just overkill...


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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 06:50:54 AM »
Well a cheap o-ring 520 is about 8000 lbs tensile. A 530 is around 9000-9500 and a 630 is 11000. These are your cheaper chains that are still 0-ring. Now you can get higher quality chains that are stronger than that. Your 650 should use a 530 I think but not positive.

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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 07:35:06 AM »
I went through this about 2 years ago when finishing up a custom H2 with extended swingarm and crazy motor, then my hot-rodded 836 Honda. I wanted to stay with 530 and I wanted high strength. I found o-ring chains ran between $49 for 7,200 lbs all of the way up to 11,000 lbs for $129. Mine came from Dennis Kirk back then, but use Google to locate sellers and do the comparisons. The catalogs list 8,000 lbs and lower good for 400cc or less, but that is them being extremely conservative. I'd guess your 650 came with o-ring so stay with it. They will last many times longer than a conventional chain due to their lubrication being held in by the o-rings.

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This is an RK Gold 530 with 11,000 lbs tensile I put on this bike 2 years ago before the 2nd engine build. Pricing was not bad.

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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 10:03:12 AM »
I think I got the same style chain just not gold. It has held well but was one hell of a bugger getting the link on!

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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 10:11:17 AM »
I have the same chain as Ibikes on the black 750. Good chain w very little stretch
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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 12:16:25 PM »
Anybody hear of a brand called race-drivin? and iam assuming 8200 lbs would be ok on a 650.
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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 12:22:50 PM »
I think I got the same style chain just not gold. It has held well but was one hell of a bugger getting the link on!

Now Young Eldar - should we not be recommending a 520 x-ring here....oh sorry, couldn't resist!  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 12:50:14 PM »
Absolutely not! The SACRILEGE!!! A 520 just looks too small!! It is not manly! :D

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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 02:05:49 PM »
I found this artical and thought i would post it for future member searches...


How To Totally Understand Motorcycle Chain Tensile Strength

Why bother learning this"....You ask?

You won't get an honorary degree in Mechanical Engineering by mastering these technicalities of chain tensile strength but you will be a significantly more competent buyer when you are picking out a chain for your bike or quad. Plus, you will save yourself some bucks in the process. Today's marketplace offers a wide variety of chain grades based on metallurgy, physical design of the components (pins, bushings, bearings, and rollers) and techniques of construction/assembly. All these factors contribute to the overall durability of the chain and its capacity to perform its job of reliably transferring power from the engine to the wheel(s) under some pretty adverse conditions. It's unrealistic to try to compare all these individual engineering details between the brands of chain you are considering. Going through that kind of technical analysis would get you a degree in engineering. The simplest way to evaluate the overall performance and suitability of different chains is to compare their Tensile Strength ratings. This one simple number is a true measure of any chains expected life, durability and performance


   
 
 
   

Tensile Strength…What it is an how it's measured

Tensile Strength (calculated in pounds or kilograms) is the maximum, sustained load the chain can withstand before undergoing permanent deformation, elongation or STRETCH. The way T.S. is measured is simple: Capture the chain to be tested on opposite ends and exert an increasing, pulling effort while measuring the force and determining the point at which the chain deforms permanently. The force (in pounds or kilos) applied at that point is the chains Tensile Strength. By comparison, the tensile strength of bubble gum is almost zero. The tensile of a solid bar of titanium could be higher than 350,000 pounds. The T.S. for a typical motorcycle/ATV chain ranges from 3,000 pounds up to 17,000 pounds. This tensile number doesn't tell you everything but it is the most important indicator you can use when comparing chains or selecting the best chain to use for your Bike/ATV.

Let's bust a myth and popular misconception about tensile strength right now. Some think that because a chain's tensile strength is rated in pounds that a higher number will mean the chain is heavier and weighs more. This is FALSE. A 7,000 pound T.S. chain could weigh more than a 12,000 pound tensile strength chain. Typically the lower tensile strength chains use heavier mild steel in their construction where higher tensile strength chains employ lighter materials such as chromoly.

Tensile Strength…What's in it for you?

You may have already noticed that the higher the tensile strength rating of a chain, the progressively higher price tag it carries. That has to do with the costs of the component raw materials used in the chain, the manufacturing costs, heat-treating processes, the price of a barrel of Arabian crude oil, etc., etc., etc. The real question is…

"Why should you pay for a higher Tensile Strength chain?"

Here are the Main Benefits of Higher T.S.….The useful life of any chain directly relates to the tensile strength number. The higher the number, the longer the chain will last, under the same conditions.

The higher the tensile rating, the less the chain will stretch and consequently, the less maintenance required to adjust out the resulting slack.

The greater the tensile strength the more ability the chain has to resist damage caused by shock loads imposed by hi-impact events in the drive train such as dumping the clutch at 12,000 rpm….landing full power-on from a triple…operating the drive system with excessive chain slack or loose sprocket bolts.

Here is the most overlooked, hidden benefit of high tensile: If you ride off-road, the eventual day will come when a rock of just the right size and shape finds its way in between a chain roller and a sprocket tooth. The higher the chains' tensile, the better your odds that the rock loses the contest and gets pulverized. You won't even know it happened. A lower tensile chain has a greater probability of losing the battle to the rock and the chain breaks apart.

So….What should you buy?

The three charts below present my M.R.T.S. (Minimum Recommended Tensile Strength) based on engine displacement and type of machine. The real questions you should be asking yourself………..and answer…..…are.........

How long are you keeping your Bike/ATV?

Do you like regularly adjusting greasy drive chains?

Do you enjoy gambling on unexpected breakdowns due to chain failure?

Category "One" Rider / Mechanic

If you are selling your machine soon, don't mind the hassle of constant chain adjustments or consider trailside emergency repairs a fun adventure…then your choice will be the lowest T.S. chain which will also be the cheapest to buy. However, it may prove much more expensive if it fails and takes out the motor cases or rear hub. But you have to be willing to take that gamble in the first place.

Category "Two" Rider / Mechanic

If you are keeping your bike for years; harbor a true disdain for adjusting chains; or prefer to limit your risks to Friday night poker or the madman next to you in a tight turn at speed…then your choice is clear…purchase well above the recommended minimum and get the highest T.S. chain you can fit into your budget…CASE CLOSEd

Supplemental Notes

Tensile strength also directly correlates to the pitch of the chain. Pitch is a standardized way of designating the physical dimensions of the chain components. Look for an upcoming Primer from Mr. Know-It-All on "How-To" Understand Metric Chain Pitch Specs due for release July 1, 2008 See Mr. Know-It-All's "Coming Attractions" for a complete list of Planned Articles

You may notice in the Recommended Minimum Tensile Tables that the number for an ATV might differ from an off-road motorcycle or street machine with the same displacement. These differences take into account the weight of the vehicles and the risk factors that are greater for ATV drive systems because of more exposure to environmental hazards.

"You Should Have Known"

To view the tensile strength chart visit: http://sidewindersprockets.com/tensile.html

 


   
 Vic Krause
Dirt Bike Magazine Midwest editor for 7 years;  Original creator of the "Mr. Know It All" technical column;  Bachelor of Science,  University of Detroit; Master of Engineering,  IIT.   Raced 250cc and 500cc amateur motocross for ten years,  Produced, popular,  ive, mechanics seminars throughout the United States. Awarded several U.S. patents for innovations in drive system technology. Vic established Krause Racing when motocross started in the USA (1968).  Owner of Krause Racing’s Sidewinder Sprockets Inc.
 
 
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Re: Chain Tensile strength
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 08:05:33 PM »
Vic missed something in school.. :o

Chrome alloys are not lighter per se,
their higher strength allows less material to be used, thus leading to a lighter overall assembly..

 Thought that should be noted..
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