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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2008, 07:31:27 AM »
I found another article yesterday, in Time magazine, circa April, 2008. It describes the "new find" of oil underneath North Dakota, around Williston-Dickinson. The article says "there is 25 TIMES as much oil under there as previously thought". My question is, "thought" by whom? Like I said before, I saw AMOCO's Landsat study, and it showed this in 1987. And, no surprise, AMOCO laid claim to it (now BP, unfortunately) in 1988, and Reagan had it hushed under the Strategic Oil Reserve/unproduced (as opposed to the portion of the Strategic Oil Reserve/produced that is stored in the salt domes in Louisiana, Mississippi, and the like around the Gulf area), until such time as the Mideast ran out.

Next, I predict that word of the amazing amount of oil under the Powder River Basin (WY) will suddenly be "found". Or, maybe the huge formation under western Nebraska. You never know where politics will suddenly 'find' its oil around here. Even the long-ago "drained" oilfields in Oklahoma have refilled themselves, and those are some of the shallowest formations in the U.S. Once the "old boy network" that has ruled OK's politics since the 1930s is gone, that area will become a major producer of U.S. oil again (their politics have blocked all but a tiny portion of oil production there, due to the social troubles it produced in the first-ever 'oil boom').

Only the "Greenpeace-allowed production" in the U.S. is the 3% of the world's oil here that you hear about. The rest of it was deemed too expensive to battle Greenpeace over in the 1980s. Since the technology has changed so much now, and pollution from any of these wellsites is less likely than the daily wreck of a tanker truck on our highways, my personal prediction is that Greenpeace will finally have to give up their self-righteous ways in favor of letting them drive themselves to work in their BMWs...

What this one giant formation holds is this: nearly 1/3 of the world's total oil, reaching from the Tar Sands of Fort McHenry in Canada to the middle of Venuzuela. Remember this, and watch the fortunes of the next 10 years...  ;)

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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2008, 09:13:01 AM »
Keep it pumping gentlemen!

The company I work for makes MANY a valve(and other parts) crucial for oil production, pumping, refining, etc..
Although by making the parts I make at work, it just helps companies rape the earth.
But it keeps my pocket book afloat(so far).

And there are a LOT of things near my computer not made of petroleum.
But most of those things are made using power that comes from some type of petroleum burning process.(coal, natural gas)
So I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone has anything that has nothing to do with petroleum in one way or another.
If it took electricity to make it, coal or gas was needed to get the power...

Even if you whittled something out of wood... how did they make the knife you used?

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Sad we as a race of beings would be basically crippled without the nasty remains of dead plants and animals being transformed into the "common everyday" items we use, let alone the power we use.
Worse than any addiction I have ever seen.
It would suck to see the world go through withdrawals of oil though.



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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2008, 09:33:56 AM »
Sadly, these plastics seem to permeate our entire lives. Has anyone heard of the Pacific Gyre? Interesting, also sadly I might add. Even though they might cost more, we need to look at more biodegradable plastics for as many applications as possible.

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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2008, 10:26:53 AM »
I found another article yesterday, in Time magazine, circa April, 2008. It describes the "new find" of oil underneath North Dakota, around Williston-Dickinson. The article says "there is 25 TIMES as much oil under there as previously thought". My question is, "thought" by whom? Like I said before, I saw AMOCO's Landsat study, and it showed this in 1987. And, no surprise, AMOCO laid claim to it (now BP, unfortunately) in 1988, and Reagan had it hushed under the Strategic Oil Reserve/unproduced (as opposed to the portion of the Strategic Oil Reserve/produced that is stored in the salt domes in Louisiana, Mississippi, and the like around the Gulf area), until such time as the Mideast ran out.

Next, I predict that word of the amazing amount of oil under the Powder River Basin (WY) will suddenly be "found". Or, maybe the huge formation under western Nebraska. You never know where politics will suddenly 'find' its oil around here. Even the long-ago "drained" oilfields in Oklahoma have refilled themselves, and those are some of the shallowest formations in the U.S. Once the "old boy network" that has ruled OK's politics since the 1930s is gone, that area will become a major producer of U.S. oil again (their politics have blocked all but a tiny portion of oil production there, due to the social troubles it produced in the first-ever 'oil boom').

Only the "Greenpeace-allowed production" in the U.S. is the 3% of the world's oil here that you hear about. The rest of it was deemed too expensive to battle Greenpeace over in the 1980s. Since the technology has changed so much now, and pollution from any of these wellsites is less likely than the daily wreck of a tanker truck on our highways, my personal prediction is that Greenpeace will finally have to give up their self-righteous ways in favor of letting them drive themselves to work in their BMWs...

What this one giant formation holds is this: nearly 1/3 of the world's total oil, reaching from the Tar Sands of Fort McHenry in Canada to the middle of Venuzuela. Remember this, and watch the fortunes of the next 10 years...  ;)


We probably have more oil than is has been reported. First you want to use the other guys oil first, then yours becomes more valuable. You also want to ration production to maintain prices. De Beers does that with Diamonds. No matter how plentiful it is, it is still to valuable to burn.
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2008, 08:20:52 PM »
The company I work for makes MANY a valve(and other parts) crucial for oil production, pumping, refining, etc..

Who do you work for, Soos?

If it took electricity to make it, coal or gas was needed to get the power...

Exactly right: the reason we are experiencing the natural gas boom (4 fold price increase so far, in last 2 years) is because of the Clinton Administration's allowing the EPA to run unbridled at "green people's" requests: actually, he was pushing the EPA to do it, as the Greenies donated lots of money to his campaigns. While I'm all for cleaning up the planet, here's what happened with this one, and it currently makes coal impossible to use (even clean coal):

Circa 1997, the EPA was allowed, with strong political pressure from the Clinton White House, to put through a bill that required 4 or more levels of 'scrubbing' for ALL coal fired stacks in the U.S. by July, 2009, to be operational by January, 2010. To a noob, this sounds fine. The reality: the first 3 levels of new scrubbing remove 93% of all pollutants and particulates from the coal exhaust, making the U.S. the cleanest coal-burning country in the world, already, by 2006. But, this last 'level' makes no sense: for example, in Denver, the power plants here must filter the incoming air, which is ABOVE the EPA limits for the outgoing stack, so that they can burn it and have the stack emissions meet the EPA requirement. In other words, they are supposed to ALREADY take in 'bad' air, and by burning coal, clean that air up even more(?) This is only at Level 3, now. The next level of equipment is so expensive to build and monitor, and takes so long to obtain, that none of the coal-fired plants for power or industry can make the goals in time. There is, for example, just one vendor in the whole U.S. that is approved to build the stack monitoring equipment: CISCO Instruments of Englewood, CO. They are building systems 24/7, but the stuff is so complex that it takes 8-10 months to put it together and test, then it still has to be installed at the site and certified.

So, about 2 years ago, the eastern U.S. industries,decided en masse to use cleaner-burning natural gas, but it is mostly found in the western U.S. The EPA approved this: the engine-driven electric generator people like Stewart & Stevinson and Caterpillar, who make gas-fueled engines, have been building them 24/7 ever since. Then, the drilling began out here, wells by the hundreds, and 3 major pipelines were laid out from here in CO, NM, and WY to points across the Mississippi River to distribution centers for eastern plants.

...and the price of natural gas has skyrocketed, and will continue to do so, until someone in Washington actually stops this EPA law that is too ridiculous to even imagine, let alone force a business to try to comply with. To date, no successful installation of this 4th level of scrubbing equipment has even worked, as it essentially blocks the exhaust of the stack so much in the filtering process that the stacks back up and won't breathe anymore. And, it's burning up the natural gas, that we need to convert to cleaner-burning gasoline, by the millions of cubic feet per day. Coal is a better solution.

And, every attempt by the Republicans to try to delay the law, until the technology could catch up with it, has been stopped by the Democrats simply because of the money the Greenies are pouring into the Dems coffers. At present development speed, the clean coal processing will be ready in 2010 for the large-scale systems we need.

So, if I ever sound like I'm against the current crop of Democrats, it's because they have displayed anything but sense, even common sense, ever since the Clinton Administration. Any legislator who is so short-sighted as to cause this sort of thing (and make no mistake, Clinton and his minions were also the ones to force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into this whole subprime mortgage business, too, that's recorded fact) is simply too stupid to be running this country.

(BTW, if you desire proof of the Freddie Mac - Fannie Mae problem that Clinton started, PM me at mgparis@concentric.net and I'll forward you a couple of the articles from the newspapers of the 1996-1999 era that blared out the grand rollout of the whole subprime thing.  ;) )
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2008, 09:29:05 PM »
Just for reference....

Coal costs between the low teens to low 20's (in dollars) to produce a megawatt of power.  One megawatt of electricity for less than 25 bucks. 

Natural Gas costs have gone down lately but remains between 7 and 9 bucks a decatherm (about 7 years ago, it was 2 bucks a decatherm).  The typical heat rate of electricity producing gas fired plants is 7 to 11.  Take the price of gas ($8) times the average heat rate (8.50-ish) and you get $68 power (compare that to 25).  When gas futures start roaring... and have been well over $10, the gas using power producers must hedge and buy future gas.... Now many gas producing power plants are sitting at 80 or more dollars per megawatt. 

Coal - 13-23 dollars per megawatt

Natural Gas - 60-100 dollars per megawatt (at an efficient gas burning plant)

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2008, 10:46:00 PM »

Who do you work for, Soos?


I work at Flowserve (the ex-Valtek) production facility in Springville, UT.
I am currently running a lathe making quick open, linear, and =%(...yes, equal percent) valve plug heads.
Lots of stellite, monel, inconel, hasteloy, nimonic, duplex, 316 SS, 416 SS, 410 SS, 420 SS, haynes, among other materials.(too many to recall offhand!)
 Not too bad a job, but am currently gunning for a QRC tech position.

QRC is the Quick Response Center... in other words when it breaks down, or there is a plant shutdown and you need it REALLY F^#$#NG FAST, it goes to the the QRC dept.

When it's costing 10,000+ per hour in loss of profits due to shutdown/failure, the QRC price tag is meaningless for most of our customers.


The gas/oil industry is a MAJOR player in our customer base, as well as medical, pharmaceutical, and other fields, if it flows, almost guranteed Flowserve has got something for ya.... if you got the $$.

 



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Edited for content..... I'm not too sure all I had posted was within the scope of info I am allowed to divulge about the valves made by flowserve.... Code of ethics and all.

Here is a web site covering the products we make at Flowserve.
http://www.flowserve.com/eim/Products/Valves
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2008, 08:59:23 AM »
Just for reference....

Coal costs between the low teens to low 20's (in dollars) to produce a megawatt of power.  One megawatt of electricity for less than 25 bucks. 

Natural Gas costs have gone down lately but remains between 7 and 9 bucks a decatherm (about 7 years ago, it was 2 bucks a decatherm).  The typical heat rate of electricity producing gas fired plants is 7 to 11.  Take the price of gas ($8) times the average heat rate (8.50-ish) and you get $68 power (compare that to 25).  When gas futures start roaring... and have been well over $10, the gas using power producers must hedge and buy future gas.... Now many gas producing power plants are sitting at 80 or more dollars per megawatt. 

Coal - 13-23 dollars per megawatt

Natural Gas - 60-100 dollars per megawatt (at an efficient gas burning plant)


Cool, thanks for the data!
The prices for the gas that you show are interesting, compared to those shown on my Xcel Energy bill. Those are almost 50% higher than the peak shown on your graph. It's frustrating that out here in the West, we are producing the gas, which gets shippped back East and bought there at higher (post-pipeline) prices, then Xcel uses that price to bill us out here (from Minneapolis) for the gas being burned out here at our prices. This is just robbery, IMO.
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2008, 09:00:50 AM »

Who do you work for, Soos?


I work at Flowserve (the ex-Valtek) production facility in Springville, UT.
I am currently running a lathe making quick open, linear, and =%(...yes, equal percent) valve plug heads.
Lots of stellite, monel, inconel, hasteloy, nimonic, duplex, 316 SS, 416 SS, 410 SS, 420 SS, haynes, among other materials.(too many to recall offhand!)
 Not too bad a job, but am currently gunning for a QRC tech position.

QRC is the Quick Response Center... in other words when it breaks down, or there is a plant shutdown and you need it REALLY F^#$#NG FAST, it goes to the the QRC dept.

When it's costing 10,000+ per hour in loss of profits due to shutdown/failure, the QRC price tag is meaningless for most of our customers.


The gas/oil industry is a MAJOR player in our customer base, as well as medical, pharmaceutical, and other fields, if it flows, almost guranteed Flowserve has got something for ya.... if you got the $$.

 



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Edited for content..... I'm not too sure all I had posted was within the scope of info I am allowed to divulge about the valves made by flowserve.... Code of ethics and all.

Here is a web site covering the products we make at Flowserve.
http://www.flowserve.com/eim/Products/Valves


Hey, I know the Valtek stuff! It's all over the processing plants I see in my designs.
It's always been a small world, oil & gas...
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2008, 10:28:56 AM »
Any other NOV employees here?


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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2008, 12:53:28 PM »
Typical natural gas well, circa 2002:
Depth: 8550 feet. Cost to drill and complete: $2.8 million for one well. Estimated lifetime production payout at 2002 natural gas costs: $4.4 million over 20 years (a fraction of the margin).


What temperature does the oil come up at from those depths? Must be hot as hell.
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2008, 02:52:13 PM »
Typical natural gas well, circa 2002:
Depth: 8550 feet. Cost to drill and complete: $2.8 million for one well. Estimated lifetime production payout at 2002 natural gas costs: $4.4 million over 20 years (a fraction of the margin).


What temperature does the oil come up at from those depths? Must be hot as hell.

It depends on where it is located. Near Yellowstone (i.e., Pinedale anticline gas wells) in WY, it's warm enough to keep it from freezing the water in it while it comes up to the separator tanks. We have to heat all the pipelines on the wellpads to keep the water in the gas from winter freeze, though. It's not hot. In eastern Colorado, freezing as it leaves the wellhead is a concern, in the winter months. It used to be that the sites would just shut in (i.e., turn off) if they froze up, but now more and more sites are getting heating systems so the production doesn't have to stop in winter. Traditionally, that's one of the reasons why natural gas tends to get more expensive in winter: a lot of the more remote (or lower producing) wells, with no heating equipment, would shut in and the pipeline flows would drop off. So, you're suddenly faced with more users clamoring for the temporarily limited supply, and Wall Street takes its course.

BTW: Wall Street brokers completely control this price, not oil companies. Worldwide, the Arabs (OPEC group) set oil prices. Wall Street controls what you and I pay for natural gas and gasoline, irrespective of the world's prices.
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2008, 03:49:30 PM »
Actually, in today's market OPEC doesn't set prices, though it does, with varying degrees of success, try to contol oil production by member countries. They have frequently "cut" production as a group, but individual member countries aren't above cheating.  ;)Prices are determined by commodity exchanges.

http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q20.htm
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2008, 09:32:46 PM »
Actually, in today's market OPEC doesn't set prices, though it does, with varying degrees of success, try to contol oil production by member countries. They have frequently "cut" production as a group, but individual member countries aren't above cheating.  ;)Prices are determined by commodity exchanges.

http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q20.htm

You're absolutely right about that, Bob!
I was just referring to the way OPEC pretty successfully manipulates that index. They basically have, since the Arab Oil Embargo was lifted. For a while Venuzuela and Mexico were "rogues" in this game, but Venuzuela's (Valero) messed up so much of their equipment now, and not paid many of their tooling suppliers, that their production is suffering (and they have a lot of oil!). China was trying to buy a lot of it, but the trip through the Panama Canal causes problems there, as does the trip 'round the Horn, for China. Mexico is sort of doing the same thing, but I'm not sure just what exactly is hampering their production now. After Katrina, Velero was shipping lots of refined gasoline into the damaged Louisiana ports, as the refineries there could not make gas from oil for quite a while. This has gotten better,  and locally (Colorado) Valero has abandoned their refinery, selling it to SunCor Canada for a fraction of its value (my company is rebuilding the mess they left behind). It appears that Valero is on the skids, now.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2008, 08:02:13 PM »
A note about the recent downturn in oil prices: I've heard a lot of bunk about the "upcoming plans of Obama" that's caused the big drop in oil prices. Well, I've got a surprise for anyone who believes that: he's not involved. Period. Nor is the current U.S. administration, and anyone egotistical enough to think that the U.S. could have that much influence toward a 50% oil price drop is, well...uninformed.

Since August of this year, China dropped off 22% of its OPEC-oil demand because the Russians completed the leg of their Trans-Siberian pipeline from their rich oilfields to the China portal, completing an agreement with that country that was made 3 years ago. Now China uses a lot of Russian oil, with a friendly-nation price agreement. It's giving Russia confidence, which we are seeing in other, not very pretty, ways.

Add to this the U.S. consumers, both in the form of vehicular drivers and businesses, dropped consumption, although the published amounts vary from a 21% reduction figure (Oil Magazine statistic) to a 10% figure (politicians, mostly 'green' Dems). Either way, added together and averaged with the rest of the world, this comes out to about a total 18% drop in consumption in just a few months, while production was still ramping upward.

Add also: Iraq, who has the 2nd richest oil formation in the world behind Saudi Arabia, has just brought one of their major tanker filler sites in their Gulf into full production (in late September), for the first time since 1990. They have sweet crude at just 2000 to 4000 feet down, like the Saudis, and will be a big player in the world oil market to come, so long as their insurgents don't re-destroy the pipelines and electricity systems again. The oil has to cross half their country to get to their port. Our assistance in rebuilding this infrastructure certainly has some hoped-for future relationship in it...and a chance to be a 'player' in the control of world supply.

Now...the "pipeline" of the world's supply does not shut off very fast, as hundreds of tankers per day are crossing oceans and the like. On any given day, about 3 weeks of oil supply are moving in one direction or another, and we have seen a big backlog of ships at sea, full of oil, with no country buying them, for the first time since the late 1980s (which has given pirates a chance to steal them, while no one buys the boat back!). Our supplies of gasoline have filled our capacities temporarily, most of the oil having been paid for at much higher prices. Still, remember that Wall Street controls gasoline prices via their commodities trade, indirectly (but effectively) affecting oil pricing. OPEC is having a little trouble corralling their members, but they will come around when they don't make enough profit to build in places like Dubai anymore.

So, don't pack up those SOHC rides just yet: the projected future semi-stable gas prices will be around $2.50 when this balances back out, probably around March, if we all still have jobs to drive to...
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2008, 12:04:27 AM »
For those of you who agree it just ain't right to commute with eight cylinders ("freedom" at the expense of the rest of the planet), here is your answer. For your overweight as well, by the way.
Interesting isn't it? Developped by an individual in Berlin and not by the master engineers at GM, Ford or Chrysler.

www.erockit.net/en/

Watch this interesting vid on Youtube. Yes, I want one too.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=ahr9sUnqfeM
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2008, 06:48:33 PM »
Reminds me of the 1970s Mopeds.
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Re: Getting oil, etc.
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2008, 09:08:57 AM »
Fascinating,

For catching all the hell they did, (though I'm sure they're not angels).......Haliburton, Bush, Cheaney, et el.,.......... I have not understood why the general American public could not realize the real creeps finalizing the high gas prices ripping our pockets is the investors/futures buyers at the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Gee, it's really tough when you've only got $10,000,000 to invest.  You've really got to turn it into $20,000,000........ I mean, how can you make ends meet?.............

Lou Gertsner (spelling?), once the chief honcho of IBM, complained one year......... that he only made $94,500,000 smackers...........

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