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Offline Geeto67

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full throttle stumble
« on: September 21, 2005, 02:40:37 PM »
Hey guys,

Quick carb question. I have been living with a full throttle stumble for quite some time on my 75 k5. Basically If I whack the throttle open the bike will stumble and not accelerate. If I eas it open to full throttle the bike takes off like a bandit, but if I whack it open the bike stumbles psutters, pops, etc, for about a second and then takes off. Since the bike runs awsome in all other rpm ranges I really tried to avoid wacking the throttle open.

Is this a needle adjustment? higher or lower?
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Re: full throttle stumble
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2005, 04:20:22 PM »
One of the drawbacks to mechanically linked slides is a lack of positive response to large and sudden changes to throttle position.

When the throttle is near idle position and the engine is turning, the intake strokes of the pistons lower atmospheric pressure in the carb throats.  The differential pressure on either side of the jet orifices causes fuel to flow through the jets into the carb bore.  The amount of suction produced is relative to RPM of the engine.  When slides are suddenly open at lower engine RPM, the pressure differential across the jet orifices equalizes resulting in less flow and less fuel to provide engine power.  To aleviate this, these carbs are run very rich, so the leaning effect of open the slides is somewhat ameliorated.  However, this can only compensate just so much.  The 77 and 78 carbs generally ran leaner at idle than previous models.  They were fitted with accelerator pumps to provide the extra fuel needed when the slides were suddenly open.   Most models switched to CV carbs to eliminate the lack of proper operation of the throttle required for the earlier carbs and still maintain anti-polutive carb settings.  CV carbs control slide opening based on engine vacuum.

Unless you run the early carbs way rich on the low throttle settings, it is unreasonable to expect engine response from a suddenly snapped open throttle.   However, throttle position changes of 1/3 or 1/2 full overall throttle travel should provide spirited engine response.  This can be helped by larger slow jets, a rich pilot screw setting. Or, if the hesitation persits in mid throttle to full throttle settings, raising the needles, or selecting a steeper taper profile of the needles.  Air jet size and emulsion tube hole sizes and placement can also tuned for mixture, and thus, throttle response.

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Re: full throttle stumble
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2005, 04:43:17 PM »
I have this too when the engine is cold. Once it warms up then the problem mostly goes away. I still need a dwell/tach to fully tune my carbs though and probably a clean air filter. Since riding season is almost over in my neck of the woods, this will be a spring project as I want to ride for the time I got left.