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Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts? Pix Added
« on: October 16, 2008, 06:06:35 PM »
My son is bringing home a Bridgestone 350 GTR tomorrow that he came across quite by accident. We've looked a bit on line and it seems to have been introduced with some notable technological features in it's day. Sorry to post about a non-SOHC4 bike here, but this group is so knowledgeable about vintage bikes I'm just curious to get any feedback. I haven't seen it yet, but the report is looks to be in pretty good condition and only about 7K miles.


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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 07:13:37 PM »
Was an article in Motorcycle classics a while back....From reading it I was kinda taken by it.

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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
I used to have a Bridgestone 200, way back in the day when they still made them. I have very fond memories of that bike. That was a a lot of fun. Very, very quick. Easy to work on. If I saw another Bridgestone today, I would buy it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 08:30:26 PM »
I'll put some photos up tomorrow night. Thanks for the comments.
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 09:54:43 PM »
You'r very lucky, that Bridgestone is the only other bike I would love to own.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 12:25:38 AM »
Funny, the Bridgestone 350 GTR is the only 2-stroke I've ever really lusted after.  I like that it's a large bike.  I'm 6'2 & most 2 strokes are a bit small for me.  My buddy has a '71 Suzuki T350, & my knees end up a bit too close to my face for my tastes.  Apparently the GTR has a feature where you can switch the gear shift & rear brake lever sides.  I wonder how that works...POST PICS WHEN YOU GET IT!

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 06:45:13 AM »
hope you are bringing home a runner because bridgestone parts are hard to find and hella expensive. If it is a project bike you are better off parting it out. They are reliable and fairly bulletproof if you maintain it, a buddy of mine's wife here in the city rides one everyday into manhattan.

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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 07:21:47 AM »
did the 350 have the rotary shift pattern like the smaller bikes? That will tingle your nuts if you don't remember what gear your in.
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 09:56:27 AM »
hope you are bringing home a runner because bridgestone parts are hard to find and hella expensive. If it is a project bike you are better off parting it out. They are reliable and fairly bulletproof if you maintain it, a buddy of mine's wife here in the city rides one everyday into manhattan.



We know nothing of the bike's history and how it's come into our possession is a bit of along story. All we know is low mileage and outward appearance is that it has been stored indoors. Last plate date is 1981, not much in the way of dents or dings, but some pitted rust in the chrome.

I'm hoping it's a runner or nearly so. Otherwise parting out is a great suggestion. I'd love to bring it back though if not too expensive or challenging.



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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 10:41:25 AM »
all japanese chrome from the 1960's/70's is pretty cheap but bridgestones tend to get it worse than other jap bikes when it comes to chrome pitting. I believe the cylinders in b-stones are plated and not liners so if they are shot then the bike is shot. Make sure you oil the cylinders throughly before you even attempt to kick it because if you chip those cylinders they will need to be replated. The good news is that since it is a two smoke removing the cylinders is as easy as removing the bolts holding the cylinder and head down. Do a compression check and a leakdown, if they come up green, don't bother tearing the sucker down and just focus on getting her running. 

All in all they are cool bikes. just wait until you go looking for where the carbs are....

a buddy picked up a really nice GTO stone (scrambler version) not too long a go but we had to part the sucker out because the cylinder coating was shot.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 12:54:38 PM »
all japanese chrome from the 1960's/70's is pretty cheap but bridgestones tend to get it worse than other jap bikes when it comes to chrome pitting. I believe the cylinders in b-stones are plated and not liners so if they are shot then the bike is shot. Make sure you oil the cylinders throughly before you even attempt to kick it because if you chip those cylinders they will need to be replated. The good news is that since it is a two smoke removing the cylinders is as easy as removing the bolts holding the cylinder and head down. Do a compression check and a leakdown, if they come up green, don't bother tearing the sucker down and just focus on getting her running. 

All in all they are cool bikes. just wait until you go looking for where the carbs are....

a buddy picked up a really nice GTO stone (scrambler version) not too long a go but we had to part the sucker out because the cylinder coating was shot.

What's the recommended method for oiling the cylinders? What do you mean by "leakdown"? Appreciate your help!
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 01:07:34 PM »
Oiling the cylinders it basically just pulling the plugs and pouring a little two stroke oil in there so that when you do kick the sucker over it is not dry unlubricated rings against dry unlubed wall.

A leak down is basically a way to test how well your cylinders, rings and crankcase are sealing. Basically  you seal up the intake and exhaust ports (usually using a few bolt on plates and some silicone). With the cylinder at top dead center you pump 5 psi of air (no more than 5psi) into the cylinder through the spark plug hole (I made a tool for this using an old dead spark plug  a few clamps and some hose). If it leaks out instantly there may be something wrong with the rings (a lot of two strokes run loose tolerances so it should leak out farily quick anyway but if it just will not pressurize then it may be shot). Then with the piston at bottom dead center you do the same thing and it tests whether the crank seals are good.

of course you can just lube the cylinders, get spark, and see if she'll fire. a leakdown test is not critical, if the crank seals are bad the bike will smoke excessivley. 
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 01:14:40 PM »
Geeto67,

Thanks so much for the tips. Can't wait to get home from work and see what she looks like. My sons probably putting her in the truck now. I'll try to get some pix up this evening.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 07:00:38 PM »
Externally, looks to be in pretty good shape. Serial number indicates it's a '67 and 479th off the production line. The lines of the bike are really sweet. We're going to fall back and make a solid plan of attack to determine just what the condition is. One problem is no key, any ideas? Any suggestions where to find a shop manual? All suggestions welcome and much appreciated.
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts? Pix Added
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 07:49:21 PM »
All in all they are cool bikes. just wait until you go looking for where the carbs are....

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 08:29:39 PM »
All in all they are cool bikes. just wait until you go looking for where the carbs are....

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So where are the Carbs on it away?

The carbs are hiding under the covers on the lower part of the jugs. If you look closely at the photos you can see the fuel line going into the top of the cover.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 08:36:48 PM »
Here's some more photos. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 05:08:29 AM »
because two strokes use theunderside of the piston to pull the initial fuel charge, most bikes with conventional carb location make the fuel/air charge travel downward and make it change direction rather rapidly, it is not always a straight shot. On the bridgestones the carbs are mounted low to make the air fuel charge as straight a shot with as little distance as possible. it is cool.

That is a really clean bike!!!! most of the garage find ones I have seen don't look anywhere as good as that. There is a good chance that that might be an easy fix back to a runner.

forgot to mention about oiling the cylinders, leave the spark plugs out the first few times you go to kick her over after putting the oil in the cylinder. This way you are not fighting compression (less stress on the bottom end) and you don't hydrolock the motor by accident. kick very slow the first few times.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 06:41:55 AM »
Nice purchase. I had a pair of '67 Kawasaki 250's. Very similar to the Bridgestone (250/350). They are a rotary disc two-stroke and using a spinning disc to time fuel, instead of using the piston. It means you can change the timing fairly easy (as long as you can make spare timing discs).
Parts can be a real pain in the bum, try the VJMC. They usually can usually put you in touch with people who can supply parts. A few Bridgestones made it to Australia and the big bore bikes are a really rare find.
Would love to see how it turns out!

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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts? Pix Added
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 07:06:32 AM »
I LIKE how that bike looks to be missing something....and it's stock!

Oil injected?
Must be a 2 smoke!



You got a nice looking bike there IMO.


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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 12:49:24 PM »
Nice purchase. I had a pair of '67 Kawasaki 250's. Very similar to the Bridgestone (250/350). They are a rotary disc two-stroke and using a spinning disc to time fuel, instead of using the piston. It means you can change the timing fairly easy (as long as you can make spare timing discs).
Parts can be a real pain in the bum, try the VJMC. They usually can usually put you in touch with people who can supply parts. A few Bridgestones made it to Australia and the big bore bikes are a really rare find.
Would love to see how it turns out!

Now for the news that may break a few hearts out there-- the bike was free for hauling away. Thanks for the tip about checking with VJMC for parts. I just hope the old adage "there's nothing more expensive than a free (fill in the blank) doesn't come true this time. It does allow a little investment without feeling like being overspent before even starting.
I'll let you all know how the project progresses from time to time. And thanks for all the comments and suggestions.
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts? Pix Added
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2008, 02:11:37 PM »
Does anyone know the history of Bridgestone?  They are/were tire makers who got into building bikes, right? Then what happened?
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2008, 02:17:38 PM »
Bridgestone motorcycles were made for a few years back in the 60s. They were sold at Sears. They stopped making them in 1969 to concentrate on tires. In 1976 the Rockford (Il) Motorcycle Co. bought all the remaining spare parts. I sold my 200 in 1981. Wish I still had it.


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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2008, 03:40:05 PM »
Bridgestone motorcycles were made for a few years back in the 60s. They were sold at Sears. They stopped making them in 1969 to concentrate on tires. In 1976 the Rockford (Il) Motorcycle Co. bought all the remaining spare parts. I sold my 200 in 1981. Wish I still had it.




the stopped making them because the big four threatened not to equip their bikes with bridgestone tires from the factory ever again. Honda was espically vocal about this point.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2008, 04:20:17 PM »
Looks like it will clean up very nice with a little elbow grease.
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Re: Bridgestone 350 GTR, Your Thoughts? Pix Added
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 12:09:28 PM »
because two strokes use theunderside of the piston to pull the initial fuel charge, most bikes with conventional carb location make the fuel/air charge travel downward and make it change direction rather rapidly, it is not always a straight shot. On the bridgestones the carbs are mounted low to make the air fuel charge as straight a shot with as little distance as possible. it is cool.

Cool find.

I don't think the location of the carbs on this Bridgestone has anything to do with making the charge travel a "straight shot".  The reason they're where they are is because this engine has rotary disc valves to control the intake timing of the fuel-air charge rather than conventional piston ports.

In most two-strokes, the carbs are mounted behind the cylinder and use piston ports.   As the piston rises, it uncovers ports in the back of the cylinder and the vacuum of the rising piston pulls the fuel-air charge into the crankcase.  After TDC, the port closes and transfer ports open on the sides of the cylinders to move the charge into the combustion chamber as the piston descends.

With rotary valves, a disc valve is hung off the end of the crankshaft and entry of the charge is controlled by when this disc uncovers ports into the crankcase.  This system frees intake timing from any restrictions of the geometry of the piston ports.  One specific advantage is that the port timing can be asymmetric (different times with respect to TDC for when the port opens and closes) which is not possible with a piston port.  It also allows the piston to be designed without worrying about the rear intake port which makes the piston stronger.

Rotary valving was very popular in two-stroke twins in the 60's and 70's.  Kawasaki used it in nearly all their two-stroke bikes except the triples (where it is impossible because there is no place to put the disc for the center cylinder).  I think it has been used in the Suzuki Gamma four and perhaps some of the MotoGP two-strokes.  Suzuki and Yamaha stuck to piston ports and mainly for this reason  the Bridgestones and Kawasakis of this era were significantly faster, although the Yamaha (R5 and subsequent RD350) were considered the better all-arounder and consistently won comparison tests among the 350's.

Reed valves were the key technology development that allowed the simpler and more compact piston port two-strokes to retake the high ground over the rotary valves as this solved the key issue with piston ports - kickback through the carb.  I'm not aware of any rotary valve two-stroke engines on street motorcycles produced today, although there is probably an outlyer out there someplace.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 08:40:45 AM »
didn't realize they were rotary valve, I've never seen one apart (but I have seen tons of kaw triples and t500s apart).
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1968 Bridgestone GTR 350 - $750 (Benton, Kansas)
 
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2011, 02:39:40 AM »
OOps, thought this old post was in other bikes>>>

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