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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #225 on: April 17, 2009, 05:05:52 AM »
Jay....what kind of head gasket will be included? Multilayer, etc???
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #226 on: April 17, 2009, 07:59:00 AM »
Jay,

When you guys resleeve do you attempt to retain the oring on the bottom of the cylinder? If not what are the consequences, is it truely necessary?

Jerry
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #227 on: April 17, 2009, 08:16:38 AM »
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Jay,

When you guys resleeve do you attempt to retain the oring on the bottom of the cylinder? If not what are the consequences, is it truely necessary?

Jerry
I've run with no orings and had no problems at all Jerry
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #228 on: April 17, 2009, 08:35:11 AM »
Quote from: MRieck on April 17, 2009, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: Jerry Griffin aka Rxman on April 17, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
Jay,

When you guys resleeve do you attempt to retain the oring on the bottom of the cylinder? If not what are the consequences, is it truely necessary?

Jerry
I've run with no orings and had no problems at all Jerry

Me too. 50k miles on an 888cc kit, no orings.
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #229 on: April 17, 2009, 09:12:00 AM »
No rings at the bottom. #We will not be doing 970cc, only 1000.  The head gasket will be composition. I couldn't get the multi layer. That was one of the hold ups, I tried.

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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #230 on: April 17, 2009, 05:56:18 PM »
So,we're looking at $1208.00 total?
Will the top of the block be resurfaced if needed?
Does the combustion chamber of the head need to be machined for the dome of the pistons,if there is one?
Top of the sleeves need to be machined for copper o-rings for sealing?


Just remembering what I had to do for some 73mm MTC pistons years ago.
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #231 on: April 19, 2009, 08:14:25 PM »
Quote from: DRMR on April 17, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
So,we're looking at $1208.00 total?
Will the top of the block be resurfaced if needed?
Does the combustion chamber of the head need to be machined for the dome of the pistons,if there is one?
Top of the sleeves need to be machined for copper o-rings for sealing?


Just remembering what I had to do for some 73mm MTC pistons years ago.


When we do the machine work, surfacing the block is included. You will not have to open the combustion chambers like the old kits. These are street compression, no o'ringing necessary
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #232 on: April 19, 2009, 08:50:32 PM »
HEY JAY! How about some low compression pistons for turbocharging ?
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #233 on: April 20, 2009, 08:58:48 AM »
Quote from: Big Jay on April 19, 2009, 08:14:25 PM
Quote from: DRMR on April 17, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
So,we're looking at $1208.00 total?
Will the top of the block be resurfaced if needed?
Does the combustion chamber of the head need to be machined for the dome of the pistons,if there is one?
Top of the sleeves need to be machined for copper o-rings for sealing?


Just remembering what I had to do for some 73mm MTC pistons years ago.


When we do the machine work, surfacing the block is included. You will not have to open the combustion chambers like the old kits. These are street compression, no o'ringing necessary

Don't anyone send us any parts yet. We need to get the deposits first to make this happen. We will tell you when to send parts.

Jay
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #234 on: April 20, 2009, 06:01:58 PM »
Quote from: Big Jay on April 20, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Big Jay on April 19, 2009, 08:14:25 PM
Quote from: DRMR on April 17, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
So,we're looking at $1208.00 total?
Will the top of the block be resurfaced if needed?
Does the combustion chamber of the head need to be machined for the dome of the pistons,if there is one?
Top of the sleeves need to be machined for copper o-rings for sealing?


Just remembering what I had to do for some 73mm MTC pistons years ago.


When we do the machine work, surfacing the block is included. You will not have to open the combustion chambers like the old kits. These are street compression, no o'ringing necessary

Don't anyone send us any parts yet. We need to get the deposits first to make this happen. We will tell you when to send parts.

Jay
Hey Jay......I was the first one to order...that's today. Where are the other guys on this???? ???
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #235 on: April 20, 2009, 06:27:30 PM »
How much for pistons, rings, & gasket ? , I already have a 970cc set of barrels and spare sleeves.
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #236 on: April 20, 2009, 06:44:20 PM »
I'll have my order in no later than Thursday. Gotta work to pay for this  ;)

Mike,

Did you pop for the full kit ot just pistons for the new block?

Frank,

I know shipping to BC is a concern however I recently saw where someone needed to transport a bike from N Washington to SoCal. You could get paid to visit Jay and import them yourself.  ;)

Ante up boys. It's time!!   
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #237 on: April 20, 2009, 06:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Griffin aka Rxman on April 20, 2009, 06:44:20 PM
I'll have my order in no later than Thursday. Gotta work to pay for this  ;)

Mike,

Did you pop for the full kit ot just pistons for the new block?

Frank,

I know shipping to BC is a concern however I recently saw where someone needed to transport a bike from N Washington to SoCal. You could get paid to visit Jay and import them yourself.  ;)

Ante up boys. It's time!!   
Jerry...just the kit. This billet block is my solution. I PM'd you.
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #238 on: April 21, 2009, 12:14:03 AM »
Quote from: 754 on April 20, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
How much for pistons, rings, & gasket ? , I already have a 970cc set of barrels and spare sleeves.

$599.00
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #239 on: April 22, 2009, 10:45:07 AM »
OK GUYS.....

Make the call 1-661-256-7309  YOUR TURN. Mike and I have placed our orders. Gotta have AT LEAST 2 more for the first batch or we'll be highly pissed!! Half now and half at shipping. Don't have to pay all up front.

On a seperate note, after getting off the phone with Pat at APE, I think you will find this way cool and very interesting. Pat tells me that Jay is the only maestro that touches our parts with his machines. He does not let anyone else do the work. These are his babies. I'm impressed. Jay, you ARE the man. Thanks!
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #240 on: April 22, 2009, 03:50:18 PM »
Does anyone know what it will cost to ship this kit to Australia ?

Mick
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #241 on: April 22, 2009, 05:52:26 PM »
Quote from: retro rocket on April 22, 2009, 03:50:18 PM
Does anyone know what it will cost to ship this kit to Australia ?

Mick

E-mail Pat; salespat@aperaceparts.com  He will find out and let you know
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #242 on: April 23, 2009, 05:14:57 AM »
Thanks Jay.

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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #243 on: April 23, 2009, 03:40:29 PM »
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Jerry...just the kit. This billet block is my solution. I PM'd you.
Will there be a problem using a stock block?
What other parts and mods will be needed for this build?

Seriously thinking about placing a order,but a 1055 I built back in '89 was plagued with problems.
Oil leaks between head and cylinder,ignition and charging problems.Pulled the engine and put a
stock 750 in its place and still riding it,but have the urge to build another bike.

May have to get rid of some other pistons that I've accquired to fund this project.
 
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #244 on: April 23, 2009, 07:26:02 PM »
Jay says he limited the kit to 1000 in order to prevent breaking through the stock block when he bores for new sleeves. The kit is complete except for the machine work to install. The only other parts I wouldn't hesitate to install are stronger rods and cylinder studs. There are multiple (4 at least) sources for high performance rods nowadays ranging from $600 to ~ $1250. The heavy duty cylinder stud kit is $80 from Jay also.
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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #245 on: April 23, 2009, 09:37:33 PM »
Thanks Jerry.
I have those two items covered.   Falicon rods,APE studs.
RC and couple of Tsubaki cam chains,some adjustable cam sprockets,APE valve spring kits.
Suppose a head will have to be done up also.Mike??
Are you and Mike going to be installing the main brg stud kit,also?

Maybe Frank (aka 754) would want these new Arias 970 piston and rings I have,since he has a cylinder and sleeves?
Email me if you are interested.
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« Reply #246 on: April 23, 2009, 10:25:03 PM »
I am actually working on 2 engines and will use the HD main bearing studs in both. Must be purchased from Dynoman even though APE is the source. I just boxed up a NOS Henry Abe 900 kit to ship to APE for cylinder work. I still need to ship Mike my head for that engine. Kibblewhite 34mm Black Diamond 5mm stems complete kit. APE crank with Carrillo H beams. Using the lighter Carrillos & Kibblewhite in the 900. That will go in my F. I also have some leftover NOS pistons, 73.75mm, that I had intended on using but will go with Jay's 1000 instead. I'm using Jay's heavier Crower rods in this. Mike had already upgraded my 33.5mm Kibblewhite head for this engine. This engine will eventually go into a soft tail chop build or, at the least, a kick ass spare.

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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #247 on: April 24, 2009, 05:18:58 PM »
OK, #$%* it, I'm in - job or not, I need the speed release :P  Does anyone have a spare block they can sell?  Summertime is callin' gents ;D
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« Reply #248 on: April 24, 2009, 06:37:28 PM »
Quote from: scondon on April 24, 2009, 05:18:58 PM
OK, #$%* it, I'm in - job or not, I need the speed release :P  Does anyone have a spare block they can sell?  Summertime is callin' gents ;D

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Wish I had a spare block for you. My spare (for the 900) is packaged up to drop off in the am and the non spare (for the 1000) is still on the bike. Plenty of time. Jay still has to complete the order then have them made. My estimate is 2 to 3 months. Should give me time to save up some more cash. Why don't you wait on the block until we hear that the kits are done then just have someone ship it directly to APE. I'm sure Pat and Jay can accomodate that.

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Re: PISTONS (970cc? 1000cc?)
« Reply #249 on: April 24, 2009, 07:36:52 PM »
Sounds like a good plan to me, Jerry. I'll call in my piston order on Monday. We need just one more now :)
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