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How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« on: November 04, 2008, 01:25:43 PM »
I put Sassy on the road back in 02 and I have put 10,000 miles on her.  (Four thousand of them just this summer).  How to judge when a chain is worn and when to change a chain?  What is a good source for chains for my 75 550 K?

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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 01:30:13 PM »
rotate the wheel w/ your hand while on the center stand... tight and loose spots will be evident w/ a worn chain.

10k can be way over on a high horsepower bike of newer vintage

10k is about switchin' time for any chain... even if it is for peace of mind.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 01:39:06 PM »
depends on how well it was taken care of as well, i got 20k out of a my R6 chain, the front sprocket started slipping from worn teeth but the chain was still in ok shape.  the slip on the front sprocket is awesome for acidental wheelies ha
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 01:41:32 PM »
rotate the wheel w/ your hand while on the center stand... tight and loose spots will be evident w/ a worn chain.


yep, it's time for a chain.  Any good sources for chains?  My local bike shop wants $78 for a KNS chain.  I don't have a preference for that brand.  That's just the 1 chain that they had in stock for my bike.

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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 02:49:49 PM »
Just remember to replace the sprockets, too.  They all wear together.

But there is a true method to know when it is time.  Shops used to have a gauge, but it can be done with a tape measure.  You are probably aware that a chain doesn't "stretch", rather the holes in the inner links get worn to an oblong shape.  So remove the chain and lay it out in a straight line.  Pull it tight and measure it.  Then push all the links in towards each other, and measure again.  If the difference is 10% or more, it's time.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 10:17:23 PM »
Old time rule of thumb is to lift the chain off the rear sprocket while installed. If it gets near the top edge of the sprocket teeth it's lived it's useful life. A good chain will last a long time. A cheap chain will not last as long. Obviously depends also on how hard you ride and how you keep it properly tensioned and lubed. My cheap chains used to need tightening VERY often. I often ride hard rather than stay at home. This means it stretched considerably. My good RK chain with a high tensile strength of 10,000+ lbs hardly ever needs tightening. Spend your money on a quality chain!! Take proper care of it. Get the highest tensile strength you can afford and be done with it. You may not need to replace sprockets. My rear sprocket is original and it's been through maybe 4 chains.   
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 06:04:04 AM »
I get way more than 10k out of any chain. My Ducati, Honda, everything. Only possible exception is my dual sport, it has over 4k on the chain though now and I still have not had to adjust it yet. Keep in clean and lubed and they will go 20k very easily. Assuming you started with a quality 0ring chain and not cheap crap.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 06:33:48 AM »
Well she has a 550 and so from what many say, you cannot use an 0-ring on the 550. But an rk roller or did roller should work fine. Ek is good, tsubaki is good. I guess just stay away from the no name brands.

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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 06:47:29 AM »
In Jc whitney catalog it describes about measuring a certian length and if the chain is longer than that then it is past its service limit. I will try to add to this tomorrow after I look at the catalog because I can't find it on their website
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 06:57:04 AM »
all of you guys that seem to be arguing the 10k comment i made should be aware of simple metal fatigue due to age and strain.  while a chain can look great and show minimal signs of wear at 20k... the metal fatigue on a chain of high mileage is much greater, allowing for a much greater risk of breakage and not just simple wearing out.  (of course i'm not really sure what breakage would be other than wearing out.   ;) )

i doubt any non-hotrodded sohc4 would break a chain too easily.  but i know one bike i ride that would if i decided to just let the chain go longer with a simple crossing of the fingers... i just don't like leaving it up to luck.  

remember that peace of mind i was talking about... i think 100 dollars is an ok price for 10,000 miles.  since i've had the cb350f, i haven't even ridden it 10k from when i bought it... but it'll have a new chain before that.  

i'm not arguing a chain won't go 20k, 30k or 50k... because they will... but the endgame could be a lot more interesting!  
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 07:26:06 AM »
To bad those closed chain casings are no longer available. Recently I read an article about somebody's 750. His chain -constantly oilbathed - has done 240.000 kms now. He says so far he adjusted his chain only once.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 07:27:54 AM »
remind me to ride in front of that guy!   ;)
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 07:37:17 AM »
when chains go the GO, i guess for peace of mind its worth it but im probably the cheapest person youl ever meet... (the plate on my 25k harley is "CHEAP"). i was riding with a freind when his chain let go on a cbr 954 with 160 rwhp when he went to clutch a wheely. the chain came up an around and broke his engine case in front of the sprocket. they totaled his bike because of it lol. he wanted them too so he dented the swing arm and the frame said it cuse by the chain but thats beside the point. if your worried about it replace if not go for broke. literaly
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 07:54:55 AM »
when chains go the GO... the chain came up an around and broke his engine case in front of the sprocket.

This happened to me on the CB the first few months I had it.  Got a crash course on engine repair and have been over cautious with chains ever since.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2008, 07:57:05 AM »
yea and it happens very quickly and very violently :o

next thing you your reving sky high and there are parts on the road behind you
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 05:05:06 AM »
yea and it happens very quickly and very violently :o

next thing you your reving sky high and there are parts on the road behind you
Hmmm, but the other factor in all of this is the quality of the chain itself and the lubrication regime. A modern high quality chain and a Scottoiler (do you have them in the USA?) abd some people claim 40K miles easily....
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 09:16:02 AM »
If you can tell me the exact (to the 1/2mm) length of the piece of string i have i can tell you how long a chain will last
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 09:50:46 AM »
I need to replace mine too.  Damned thing has had to be tightened twice in the past 3 months.  Any brand suggestions for the chain and sprockets? 

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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2008, 06:49:19 PM »
I don't recall the numbers but the manuals will tell you a certain length for a certain amount of links.My old one a few years back was waaaay out of spec.I bought Sun Star sprockets from Dennis Kirk and a Diamond chain at a cycle parts place (the chain was about $65).It is holding up great.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2008, 07:39:43 PM »
I've bought several chains/sprockets from z1 and have no problems...

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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2008, 07:57:31 PM »
If I told you how long it lasted and how hard I ran it, the subject would just get beat to death,..AGAIN..


..suffice to say tho, if there is truth that an O-ring type  will last 2-3 times as long as a regular  chain.. then I should get 30-50K.. on a diet of steady burnouts..

.. but I will stick to Tsubaki 530 QR, except I may try 520 one day..
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2008, 08:38:36 PM »
...then there's my (sometimes controversial, as in 'not believed here'...) experience: using Honda's own sprockets, and the Diamond Powersport chains (used to be called the "XDL" chains) and Kal-Gard Chain Kote moly chain lube:

First setup this way I installed at 31,000 miles in 1979, ran until 1990 and 42,000 miles (ending mileage 73,000+ miles). Chain was stretched 1 link, or 1%, so I replaced chain and sprockets.
Replaced with same chain, Honda sprockets, in 1990. Changed 2 years ago at 126,000 miles, had 53,000 miles on them and was getting snatchy: chain had stretched 1.5 links, or 1.5% (I run mine at 100 links). Contersprocket on this set was changed to a 17-tooth aprtway along the miles, then back to 18 tooth for touring, now back at 17 tooth for commuting again.

The Powersport chain is equivalent to the British Reynolds chain. Both cost a little over $100, but as you can see, are cheap in the long run, and snaky smooth at putting the power down. They are engineered with extra clearance in the side play, and Rockwell 80 rollers. They also have extra roller ID clearance and side clearance so the lube can wick in easily and water and dirt get pushed out. I wash it directly with the hi-PSI carwash once every month or so, then ride until it is warm, and relube, let set overnight. These are NOT O-ring chains, yet I lube the chain about once every 1000 miles or so.
Honda's own sprockets have a special design with larger-than-ASME-standards base circle and tapered teeth, to quiet the chain, reduce its collision with the entry into each tooth, and put up with misalignments caused by worn swingarms and high HP acceleration runs. They are not as hard as the Diamond/Reynolds chains, so the combination is a great match.
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2008, 09:08:49 PM »
I know it was a Diamond that my buddy got over 40 K on.. definitely worth it..

funny thing about his bike, when on the centerstand it always seemed like his wheel turned easier and longer than ours, if you gave it a spin..
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2008, 08:18:12 AM »
I know it was a Diamond that my buddy got over 40 K on.. definitely worth it..

funny thing about his bike, when on the centerstand it always seemed like his wheel turned easier and longer than ours, if you gave it a spin..

Now that you mention that...I've been rebuilding several 750 Hondas this summer, and mine does spin a lot longer than those. They came to me with decent chains and sprockets (one was brand new chain and sprockets, from the boneyard!), well lubed, too. Two of them are Tsubaki chains. But, they will spin maybe 2 turns with a good push, while mine will spin nearer 8. I hadn't thought of looking at it like that, but you're dead right!
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Re: How many miles do you usually get out of a chain?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2008, 08:27:36 AM »
When we rode together we stopped and lubed at the same time, we used gear lube. When I still used a centerstand and both were up on them, and we were oiling and spinning. I remember seeing the difference and a few times pushing my brake lever back or even loosening it a few turns to see if that was holding it back. Pretty sure it had stock bearings in his hub.

 What you say about the stock Honda sprockets could make a big difference, after all Honda went to enormous lengths to build reliabilty into their bikes..

There is chains and then there are CHAINS, sprockets.. and SPROCKETS..

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