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Offline Johnny5

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First stab at painting
« on: November 19, 2008, 07:54:10 PM »
Well, the cool news is that my small air compressor is sufficient to run the mini gun. It seems to spray nice. I just went for it and tweaked the gun as I went along. I think I did it right, I sprayed back and forth slowly, but not too slowly, overlapping a little as I went. I continued until the paint started to look like glass, then stopped. Maybe this is too thick of a first coat. I dont really know what the first coat should look like. Hazy?

I used an old helmet for practicing over curves and angles. I didnt prep it obviously by the little chunks of stuff here and there. The paint is PPG Shopline single stage urethane. Anyway, here's the color I picked out. I think it's going to look really nice in the sunshine next Spring.

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 08:09:08 PM »
sweet... gotta love the first time.   ;)

if you think its a bit thick, i can pretty much guarantee that it is... 3-4 thin coats 10ish minutes apart are way better than 1 thick one.

can you take a pic of your paint set up?

 
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 08:15:07 PM »
My paint setup will make y'all laugh. But I'll try and post a pic this weekend when I bite the bullet and paint the sidecovers. I'll save the tank for last when I feel Im ready.

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 08:31:21 PM »
yeah I would agree and say its too thick,  Its deffinetly better to spray more thin coats than less thick coats.  And with spraying thicker coats you run the risk of getting runs and drips in paint which is not a good thing.  Keep it up though and good luck

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 08:32:31 PM »
Oh and nice color choice btw

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 08:37:22 PM »
I like the color a lot as well.

I would be interested in seeing a pic of your set-up as well. I would like to paint next spring, so I would like to see what others are doing. Good work!

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 04:41:44 AM »
Yep, do a few light coats first....the 1st one being the lightest.   

So far, so good...   I alwasy like metallic silver
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 05:26:02 AM »
So after the first few light coats, the paint will begin to smooth out? I guess what Im asking is when do I know I have good coverage and Im done applying the coats?
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 06:40:58 AM »
My first time as well. I used Base coat and Clear coat mixed at the local NAPA.
I very pleased at the results. ;D ;D

It's Acura Redondo Ruby Red Metallic and Acura Grand Prix White.


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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 06:43:27 AM »
you're not really trying to smooth the finish w/ the paint, you're trying to get good coverage and hope smoothness comes along for the ride.   ;)

once it all starts to look the same and no primer or undercoat remains to be seen, that's when you're done.

a few nice coats of top coat really help to smooth your finish... topcoat is more difficult than paint though... if you don't recoat it when its still fairly wet it gets fuzzy as i like to call it, then you'll have to buff it before recoating again.

still though, i'd rather be buffing the fuzz off (that comment had nothing to do w/ any of our members!  :P) than sanding out runs from too thick of a coat(s).
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 06:45:11 AM »
good looking tank as well, jakoba... is the bottom half the red color as well?  hard to tell if its shadow or not from the lighting.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 06:46:55 AM »
Thanks for the tips. I guess that's where my trouble comes in. The paint I have is single stage and it's metallic. The clear is mixed with the paint and I hear youre not to suppose to buff this paint afterwards. It only needs a good coat of wax in about a month.

I hear what you're saying about the fuzzy's. To me, that always looks like it needs just a little more paint. Too much after that point and it'll start to run.

Maybe Im in over my head, but I really want to learn so I can do more in the future.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 06:48:06 AM »
good looking tank as well, jakoba... 

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 06:56:26 AM »
if you've got fuzz... then there's really gonna be no harm in lightly sanding it down.  you're not going to be sanding paint off, really... just sanding the paint smooth.

the fuzz tends to build up if you're too far away and it turns more to overspray or you put a lighter coat over a thicker coat.  sometimes it just does it to piss you off... find the lightest sandpaper you can and wait a day or two on the helmet and give it a try, then put a final coat on thick enuf for no fuzz but not enuf for runs.

clear as mud yet?

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 07:00:04 AM »
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 07:14:55 AM »
Yeah Heffay, shes red all the way to the bottom.
I was just looking for something different and I think I found it.

 I can't wait to strip it with black and gold pinstriping.

I was thinkin gold on the red and black on the white...opinions welcomed.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 07:42:29 AM »
The helmet look very good. Fuzz is bad, Fuzz is dry spray. Why buff such a small part. Just put a little more thinner wait like I said between coats, just put enough paint to make it look wet and stop until the next coat. The first coat should be the lightest one 3 coats should work fine. I NEVER have to buff any Motorcycle parts. Now cars are another story. Tattoo

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 07:45:11 AM »
The helmet look very good. Fuzz is bad, Fuzz is dry spray. Why buff such a small part. Just put a little more thinner wait like I said between coats, just put enough paint to make it look wet and stop until the next coat. The first coat should be the lightest one 3 coats should work fine. I NEVER have to buff any Motorcycle parts. Now cars are another story. Tattoo

If Im getting fuzz, I can do two things, work a little closer or turn up the pressure a little more? Both would probably do the same thing Im guessing.

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 10:09:57 AM »
I've had my fair share of paint experience the past few years.. my dad painted professionally for a good portion of his lifetime.  Having a paintbooth in your basement is kickass!! ;)

Some of MY work...















Well... Pic crazy, but I know how much you all dig pictures on these boards ;)  Sorry for the off-topic-ness of the post.  Maybe some of you manual two-wheeled officionado's will appreciate it a bit more.  That's my main hobby, the fabrication/design of bike frames, etc.  I built and designed both frames myself (minus major welding), and did all the paintwork.



All that we shoot is PPG with the ocassional house of kolors... Honestly, I can't even begin to describe how "thick" to lay the paint. It comes with experience, practice, and "seeing" it many times to get a feel for it.  I've been painting for a few years now and I still don't know what I'm doing compared to my pops!!!

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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 10:12:29 AM »
The helmet look very good. Fuzz is bad, Fuzz is dry spray. Why buff such a small part. Just put a little more thinner wait like I said between coats, just put enough paint to make it look wet and stop until the next coat. The first coat should be the lightest one 3 coats should work fine. I NEVER have to buff any Motorcycle parts. Now cars are another story. Tattoo

If Im getting fuzz, I can do two things, work a little closer or turn up the pressure a little more? Both would probably do the same thing Im guessing.


Didn't see this before.  You're gun should always operate at the SAME pressure (per manual..).  If you're getting "fuzz" it's because you're moving too fast, not close enough, or the paint is too thick. 


you're not really trying to smooth the finish w/ the paint, you're trying to get good coverage and hope smoothness comes along for the ride.   ;)

once it all starts to look the same and no primer or undercoat remains to be seen, that's when you're done.

a few nice coats of top coat really help to smooth your finish... topcoat is more difficult than paint though... if you don't recoat it when its still fairly wet it gets fuzzy as i like to call it, then you'll have to buff it before recoating again.

still though, i'd rather be buffing the fuzz off (that comment had nothing to do w/ any of our members!  :P) than sanding out runs from too thick of a coat(s).

Sorry Heffay, but I have to disagree with what you're saying.  If you're shooting paint with a quality gun, and using quality paints, you should NEVER have a "rough" finish.  First coat, fifth coat, or even clear.  If you are getting "fuzzy" finishes and have to buff it out, it is simply said that you are not throwing down enough paint.  That or it is just too thick.  It is VERY rare that a professional painter doesn't have to sand and buff a few runs in the clearcoat.  The clear is what makes the basecoat really POP!! Without the proper depth, etc in the clear, you will never get the showroom quality finish.

I do agree, however, that once you start to paint, you must finish it all at once.

The paints themselves chemically "bond" together  thru the use of thinners/reducers, etc.  If you paint the basecoat, wait overnight, then clear, you wont have as good of a bond between paint/clear and in the end, it will not be as durable as it could be.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 10:21:04 AM »
Sweet pics. Man, that orange looks great.

Thanks for the tips.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 10:26:38 AM »
I'll get the code if you want when I get home...

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2008, 10:48:19 AM »
That's okay. I wont be needing it anytime soon. Thanks for the offer.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 11:09:55 AM »
John,
for the tank striping, wouldn't  you want to go with a wide gold stripe on the white and a thin black on the red and again on the white?  It would be more in keeping with the Honda style.
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Re: First stab at painting
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 01:15:31 PM »
ok.  never did i say you should have fuzz!
there are two ways to deal w/ it... i'm betting he'll be better at the buffing than the painting the way he talks... no offense, johnny.
i'm offering suggestions because i do know what happens on those off occasions you're not yuppy enough to buy the best quality gun.   :P  the thing is, once you're good enough to buy the good quality guns, you're done fvcking up for the most part.
so, i think you're just reiterating what i said, in fact, i don't see anywhere that you said anything disagreeing w/ what i was saying, i just think you're trying to add your own information while belittling me.   :P
its ok if you think you're a better painter, i'm ok w/ that.   :-*
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