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Offline Uncle Ernie

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Royal Enfield -again
« on: November 21, 2008, 07:08:22 AM »
I've been doing more research because I want another thumper.
Newer models have E-start, but the sprag gears break.  But then someone else says that's because the owner doesn't use the decompressor while starting (no automatic decompessor!).

Read an old article about a guy who took his engine apart and was apalled at what he saw.  Crummy crank bearings and such.  Others say they're OK for what the bike is intended to do.

A new for '09 Bullet will have an aluminium, unit construction, electronic ignition, fuel injected lump that promises to give a hair more HP and go about 5 mph faster.
BUT- it has a sidecover (I suppose to cover up the air filter?) that takes over the whole side of the bike and is so ugly I can't hardly stand it even though everyone else seems to think it's beeyooteeful.

The main (only) domestic site is sponsored by the importer !  Maybe a good idea- I can't tell yet.  BUT- all the cheering owners don't seem to have many miles on their bikes.  Not even 2K.  Seems like 3500 miles is a high-mileage example.

Folks, your old Uncle Ernie would sure like to get some real-world feedback.  I realize it takes 2K to break in.  I realize it won't go over 70 mph.  But other than that- what is the "ride quality"?  What's it like to live with? 

Doesn't anyone on this forum have one?

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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 07:58:27 AM »
Good question Ernie....

Bump for a response...
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 08:13:16 AM »
Ern--

Just get an old Honda XL600 motor (only '83 had dual carbs) and stick it in
some kind of frame.
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 08:36:34 AM »
Just remember the originals were called Royal Oilfields for a reason.
Try the uk website www.royal-enfield.com
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2008, 06:36:05 PM »
Hi Uncle Ernie
     The current issue of Rider, January 2009, a two page "Ridden & Rated" on last years Royal Enfield Bullet. I wonder how many of last year's model the importer has in the warehouse?
     I think that the only Indian built Royal Enfield owner that I have ever talked to was trying to sell it to me.
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 08:45:24 PM »
Good heavens- you have some mighty fine bikes.
The SRX250 is awfully sexy.


I think Monday I'm going into a dealer and twist an arm.  See how resistant to pure, unadulterated charm and food looks he can be.
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 07:53:14 AM »
Hi Uncle Ernie
     Love my SRX250! I have put about 27,000 miles on it. It is currently on injured reserve. To much riding not enough maintenance. I need to pull the engine and weld in some new motor mounts. I was looking for an SR500 and this SRX250 kept showing up. I am amazed that I fit on so well at 5' 10" & 150lbs. I am sure that anyone larger than me would find it cramped.
     I read some were that someone put an SR500 engine into a SRX250. So Maybe one of the electric start Yamaha singles could be shoe horned into an SR500 frame. I think that it might be easer to make the dual sport bike that the engine came out of into a street bike.
     Hope you have good luck with the RE dealer.
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 09:29:58 AM »
My dad owns a 2004 Bullet classic, and it is BY FAR my favorite bike I have ever ridden!  That 500 single is the most charming powerplant I've ever delt with.  You can almost hear every revolution, you can hear the air sucked into the engine and pumped out!  You can hear all the valves (they are very loud) working.  The riding position is perfect (IMO) and the handling is immaculate.  These little darlings weigh under 400lbs.  The braking is terrible by today's standards, but the bike only has like 20HP. 
20HP doesn't sound like a lot, and it isn't.  But the low end is where it counts.  Cruising back roads at around 40mph is what this bike is made for, and I have yet to have a motorcycle experience that equals it.  Don't expect to use highways, this old girl works HARD to go 65mph, and that's with slightly higher gearing than stock.  I've never had it past 70!  But, because of the low compression and low RPMs you run, you'll get 65-75 mpg!! 
Now, having praised this, my favorite motorcycle, I must admit to its faults.  Yes, the electric start is s$%t.  We have used the kick start since it broke.  Trust me, after learning to kick a 500 vintage style single, you can kick start any other engine!
The build quality of components is aweful.  Springs, controls, cables, all of the little bits are low quality.  But you can replace them easily.  The engine, though, seems quite bulletproof.  It's never been apart so I don't know about the quality of crank bearings and such, but we've got something like 15k on this bike and it runs like a top.  It is, however, buring oil and leaking a little.  My dad thinks it's time for rings.  But, on this vintage style engine, a job like that is no big deal.  You have one cylinder to deal with. 
Parts are pretty easily available and there are many aftermarket upgrades available. 

Don't buy an RE expecting a reliable, everyday rider unless you are willing to maintain it constantly.  It needs regular valve adjustments, regular chain tightening (which is kind of a pain on this bike) and all those things you guys are used to on your hondas, just to a larget extent.  In fact, unless its run regularly, expect a simple start up to take a couple of minutes.  Peter Egan once wrote that you have to think of starting an old (or retro in this case) bike as a task in itself.  You can't just hop on and go!

As for the new aluminum engines, I don't know.  The iron block has been made for centuries and seems reliable.  I don't recommend fuel injection or electronic ignition, that stuff doesn't belong on a 50s style bike (IMO of course).  If I were to buy my own Royal Enfield, which believe me I would LOVE to, I would go with a used model just because that iron block has been around forever and I also prefer the styling of the older  models.

In sum, I highly recommend a Royal Enfield, but only if you are willing to deal with old tempermental technology and low quality componentry.  I like the "task" of getting the RE running and a low-stress cruise through the country is an incredible experience on this bike.  And remember, a highway bike this is not! 
Good luck and I highly recommend trying one out!
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 09:37:44 AM »
My dad owns a 2004 Bullet classic, and it is BY FAR my favorite bike I have ever ridden!  That 500 single is the most charming powerplant I've ever delt with.  You can almost hear every revolution, you can hear the air sucked into the engine and pumped out!  You can hear all the valves (they are very loud) working.  The riding position is perfect (IMO) and the handling is immaculate.  These little darlings weigh under 400lbs.  The braking is terrible by today's standards, but the bike only has like 20HP. 
20HP doesn't sound like a lot, and it isn't.  But the low end is where it counts.  Cruising back roads at around 40mph is what this bike is made for, and I have yet to have a motorcycle experience that equals it.  Don't expect to use highways, this old girl works HARD to go 65mph, and that's with slightly higher gearing than stock.  I've never had it past 70!  But, because of the low compression and low RPMs you run, you'll get 65-75 mpg!! 
Now, having praised this, my favorite motorcycle, I must admit to its faults.  Yes, the electric start is s$%t.  We have used the kick start since it broke.  Trust me, after learning to kick a 500 vintage style single, you can kick start any other engine!
The build quality of components is aweful.  Springs, controls, cables, all of the little bits are low quality.  But you can replace them easily.  The engine, though, seems quite bulletproof.  It's never been apart so I don't know about the quality of crank bearings and such, but we've got something like 15k on this bike and it runs like a top.  It is, however, buring oil and leaking a little.  My dad thinks it's time for rings.  But, on this vintage style engine, a job like that is no big deal.  You have one cylinder to deal with. 
Parts are pretty easily available and there are many aftermarket upgrades available. 

Don't buy an RE expecting a reliable, everyday rider unless you are willing to maintain it constantly.  It needs regular valve adjustments, regular chain tightening (which is kind of a pain on this bike) and all those things you guys are used to on your hondas, just to a larget extent.  In fact, unless its run regularly, expect a simple start up to take a couple of minutes.  Peter Egan once wrote that you have to think of starting an old (or retro in this case) bike as a task in itself.  You can't just hop on and go!

As for the new aluminum engines, I don't know.  The iron block has been made for centuries and seems reliable.  I don't recommend fuel injection or electronic ignition, that stuff doesn't belong on a 50s style bike (IMO of course).  If I were to buy my own Royal Enfield, which believe me I would LOVE to, I would go with a used model just because that iron block has been around forever and I also prefer the styling of the older  models.

In sum, I highly recommend a Royal Enfield, but only if you are willing to deal with old tempermental technology and low quality componentry.  I like the "task" of getting the RE running and a low-stress cruise through the country is an incredible experience on this bike.  And remember, a highway bike this is not! 
Good luck and I highly recommend trying one out!
Jeremy B

         Can't get more "matter of fact" than that! :) As for the old style engine, it is the same design that was used in my Granddad's old 500cc Indian (rebadged Royal Enfield) Woodsman and he rode that thing forever before another fellow bought it and set it up to race it on a Scrambles track. ;) 
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 09:10:53 PM »
Gerhed, I wouldn't half mind that.  That's why I'm asking about the SR500, but just getting the bits seems overwhelming right now.
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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 11:15:35 PM »
Just remember the originals were called Royal Oilfields for a reason.
Try the uk website www.royal-enfield.com

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Re: Royal Enfield -again
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 08:43:18 PM »
If i used silicone on my RE250 it used to laf and spit it out!!!! only green hermetite worked
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