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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2008, 11:07:22 AM »
There is a hell of a lot more going on regarding this political theatre than can be elucidated here but it's a process and we'll all come out of the other side.  I figured the GG would have to let H. prorogue parliament because as the sitting govt. she has to let him try to fix this pile of #$%* he is responsible for.
What you Americans will be spared is his next six weeks of negative advertizing, bad mouthing his opposotion and blaming them for the problem.  The man is a combo of Geo. W and Dick Cheney.  One arrogant ass-hole.
By the way, doesn't he come from the Reform party?  Weren't thery actually western separatists?

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2008, 11:18:37 AM »
You guys got it wrong.

Theres a reason no one has seen Dick Cheney.
He is the reason for the stalling your parliment, and is instilling a shadow government, so we can legaly use canadians as slave labor.
'Cause we all know you can only beat a 3rd world country 12 year old so much.
Now you CANADIANS on the other hand have a naturally thick hide to protect from the cold.

Therefore, we can therefore beat you much harder.
Ok...enough...Just kidding....



'tis strange though to hear your GVT. is doing that though...
I really hope no politicians know you guys are up to this... might start an endless growth to the Gvt...

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2008, 11:21:13 AM »
Should've  elected  Marc Emery for .... that head thingy position below your queen.

Yeah... thats the ticket.
The day that happens, I will be your next illegal on your border.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2008, 12:24:21 PM »
You Americans sure know how to cheapen a thread..      ;D

Was this thread ever (insert antonym here)?

 excellent, noble, precious, priceless, superior, valuable, worthy


 ;D

    To be technically correct, the word used was cheapen. I know you appreciate accuracy. :)
    Did this thread ever have the potential to (antonyms of cheapen) - appreciate, enhance, increase, raise, upgrade?
  Well yes it did but starting on post #2...    damn foreigners  ;D

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2008, 01:52:43 PM »
  damn foreigners  ;D

I can't tell you how many times I've said the same thing!

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2008, 01:53:53 PM »
Eh..thats what happens when bush supporters get into a thread they dont belong in lol
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2008, 01:58:23 PM »
Separatists another word for treasonists non?  >:(

I'm slowly working through this thread. This is very true. 150 years ago they would have been brought to trial and hung.

But as everyone is quite right in saying, what is going on today is within the Constitution.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2008, 02:04:45 PM »
Probably need to strap a 2x4 to your asss to keep from falling in!

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2008, 02:09:25 PM »
Heh the Pamela Canyon lmao...
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2008, 02:13:32 PM »
If I could meet with those scum sucking pus buckets (to quote Moe from the Simpsons) I would say: "You hear all those laughs, snickers, chortles, guffaws, giggles and general hilarity? That's the rest of the world laughing at you."

All politicians are scum. Said it before, will say it again.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2008, 08:22:30 PM »
Before I start, I have to say I'm nonpartisan on this issue.  I put equal derision on all players, but for different reasons.
  • Conservative Party Leader and current Prime Minister, The Right Honourable Steven Harper: No brains for trying to cram the baseball bat a little further than was prudent. Bluffing when the cards are see-through. Arrogant and foolish.
  • Liberal Party Leader, Celine Dian (oops sorry, Stéphane Dion): Couldn't talk his way out of his own trousers and doesn't know if he's coming or going.  One foot out the door and the other stepping into that pile on the pasture.
  • New Democrat Party Leader, Jack Layton: He must have read the Canadian history books...doesn't he know that the small fry in any coalition gets obliterated in the next election?  Might as well strap on the TNT himself - what was he thinking?
  • Bloc Québécois Party Leader, Gilles Duceppe: A national party, this is not.  A separatist leader who comes out and says he'll support a coalition for all of how many weeks?  Afterwards its Quebec interest above all else.  Only in Canada. Give me a break.  Blindfold at 30 paces for this guy.

Here's my argument:
Let's not forget that in Canada we do not elect a Leader/Prime Minister/President.  The Yanks do that.  We Canucks elect a parliament, or Members of Parliament (MPs), more correctly.  Its those MPs that then go the Queen's representative in Canada, the Governor General, with their recommendation on forming a government, at the Queen's/Governor General's request.  And its the formation of the government that includes appointing a Prime Minister, by the MPs, so he can organize the MPs into a Government.  We say he has the "confidence" of the people to form a government.  Whenever he loses that confidence, he is supposed to gracefully request another mandate from "the people" by asking the Queen/Governor General to let him call an election.  The governor General makes the call: agrees to an election, finds someone else with "confidence" of the people, calls for marshal law, or calls for Queen's Own Rifles, etc.....

To make the process less chaotic, political parties form up beforehand and predesignate their Leader, so that the little people who vote, already have a notion of who might be governing them if enough MPs from any specific party are voted in.  We also have a "Loyal" opposition (which the Yanks don't have), made up of the lesser MPs, led by an officially appointed Leader (or Leaders).  The "Opposition" is just a coalition of MPs that are not part of the government, that are supposed to keep the Government honest.

So you see, coalition by MPs is already the name of the Canadian game.  Its just in context to predefined party leaders and the American way, that it seems out of place.  Across-party-line-coalitions have been done in Canada many times before.  Not so often at the federal level, but plenty of times at the provincial level.

So what kind of Queen's representative sets aside democratic government to favour a whimpering PM?  One that has been appointed by that very PM.  Therein lies the problem.  Partisanship in an appointed role, where its out of place.  Shame on the Governor General. Shame on the PM for asking.

She must have been thinking that Canadians don't want to go through another election.  I sure don't.  But if that is what it takes to clean house of these imbeciles, then that's what it takes.

The PM has put the nails into his own coffin on this issue.  The opposition leaders have done the same for themselves.  Even the guy who wants to split from Canada, now has to explain why he was willing to support his opponents.  Blindfold at 30 paces for all of them! (The political kind, that is) ;D

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2008, 09:54:26 PM »
Very well put, Tower.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #62 on: December 07, 2008, 07:05:14 AM »
Yes it is time to resurrect the idea that the leader is in power for a year and then taken out and hung, shot, burned what ever, to pay for his, her, and or the peoples sins, this latest idiocy is shameful and I agree, the way to stop it is by making an example of all the fools either that or advertising for a city manager (wrong words but you get the idea) that could handle making the economy run smoothly, look out for the welfare of the people, and have a non partisan vision for the future of the country, and we'd have to review their progress yearly to see if they were worth the money, which would mean that they would communicate, openly, transparently on how we were doing as a people, there are other details that could be worked out in the contract, and you know, even if we didn't get any one it might send a message to the clowns that we are unhappy with their performance, this being Canada not Zimbabwe and I think that all the MP's should have their feet moved a little closer to the fire, wether representative voting would help I don't know, but if we're in an economical crisis then what hell are they doing, playing stupid power games and if we're not, why all the doom saying. I could go on for hours with a really good rant. But enough.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2008, 07:25:13 AM »
You folks north of the border are making me feel better about our form of government here in the U.S. and that's no small task. ::)
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2008, 07:25:49 AM »
Yes tower,I think you have laid out the situation very clearly.With what's available in the bull pen,I am afraid,very afraid!  Rock On  Beats fretting about this schmozola.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2008, 08:03:00 AM »
City boy does this mean that you feel as I do that there might be a background of Syphilis in all their families.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2008, 01:07:57 PM »
Well, there's always the Green Party of Canada, led by Elizabeth May.  They are supposed to be fiscally conservative (read, won't spend us into oblivion on social programs), environmentally focused (will tax oil more heavily and give tax relief to alternate energy) and have no governing track record (no pork barreling at least for a few years). 

The party got about 10% of the vote in the last election, but failed to get any seats (i.e. failed to have any of their green leaning sort elected as Members of Parliament)

Is having no track record better or worse than a dismal track record - that might be rhetorical?  With the other political lot showing themselves to be power hungry dolts, I might just give the Greens a try.  Could they be any worse? - might also be rhetorical ;D


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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2008, 01:58:20 PM »
I don't know about the greens but May seems as intelligent as others maybe it's time. Where's the Rinos when you need them?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2008, 03:09:14 PM »
Or the Monster Raving Loony Party. Oh wait, that was in England.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2008, 05:27:31 PM »
Hi.I would not be adverse to giving Liz May a shot.Here in Windsor Brian Masse does a good job of pressing our issues in The House and wins in a landslide each time.For this reason I have voted Green the last 2 elections,solely for the $1.95 they receive because of it.It is very hard for a party that is not well established to finance their efforts,this helps.I like the fact that the Greens are an international party that do quite well in Europe.Back to May,as far as I am concerned,she is smarter than Mr. Nasty and the three Stooges combined.We could do worse than having her in the Senate too.I bet there are no STD's in her family either. 
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2008, 06:58:09 PM »
"Rino Party" ..........Man I haven't heard that one since I voted for them 29 years ago!!!!!!!!

Used to be a guy who owned a (pot head store) at the bottom of Lonsdale in N. Van.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2008, 03:40:27 AM »
Jesus, Seaweb, Lonsdale conjures up memories, I haven't been there for fifty years and probably haven't thought of it for at least 45 years.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2008, 02:35:11 PM »
One point to differ on.  The GG was appointed by Paul Martin not Harper.

It all seems very pathetic but we'll survive.  The reason the three opposition party leaders formed a coalition was because of Harper's (Flanagan's) proposal to address the economic situation, which was to do nothing.

Edmund Burke, as you might know, was one of the greatest political thinkers in all of history, said, roughly, that the worst thing ( or maybe the most dangerous thing) was to come to govern intending to govern with a theory.  That's what Geo. W did and Harper has done.  He is simply a neo-con, laissez-faire econimist.  Yesterday on CBC morning radio, Desmond Morten was interviewed and aptly said that he wished that when Harper was being educated in Calgary someone had explained to him how the Canadian parliamentary system of government worked.  In our system, when a government comes out with a piece of #$%* like his statement on his response to the economic situation, it is the responsibility of the opposition to bring that government down, if they have the votes in parliament.  So they did and if Dion, Layton and Duceppe didn't do their job the government wouldn't have to so its.
So I agree.  It looks like a mess.  But it will works its way through and we'll have the Stanley Cup in the spring.

I loved the Rino Party, particularly its plan to make everybody drive on the left side of the road.  But to make the transition easy it would implement it slowly and for the first two years only the trucks would be required to drive on the left.  Or we could save all the money spent in maintaining the Hudson's Bay rail line if we moved Churchill, Manitoba to central Saskatchewan.

Meanwhile, we'll keep on rocking in the free world.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2008, 02:58:43 PM »
It's all moot anyway, since Armageddon is coming in 2012. :-\
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Re: What the hell is wrong with the (Canadian) Govt?
« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2008, 04:29:55 AM »
What's 2012 Nick?
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