Topic: whats the real name of this fitting??

[tygrant]

Ok im ordering  new SS brake line and i need a banjo up top but whats the name of the fitting used to connect to the the "hard" brake line that then connects to the caliper?? i need the correct name of it so i dont order the wrong one! thanks guys

[eldar]

Are you particularly attached to using that hard line? If not, why not just take the line all the way to the caliper.

[tygrant]

well i guess i could. the hard line is nice because im not running a front fender so i bent it to keep the line from rubbing, with a semi flexible ss line I will run the chance of rubbing on the tire... im not super familiar brake line fittings, but could i run the ss line into the caliper??

[eldar]

Well a stainless would be a hard line, do you mean a BRAIDED line? I have a braided and while I do have a fender, I do not think it would rub if positioned good.

[my78k]

I thought it was a "thingymajiggy" otherwise known as a "whatchamacallit"

Sorry I can't offer a real answer...  There is no name listed in my service manual

Dennis

[moham]

Well a stainless would be a hard line

But would a

semi flexible ss line

also be a hard line? it seems (somewhat) obvious he means a ss braided line.

[tygrant]

yes, a semi flexible ss braided line, i want to connect it to the 12 inch or so long hard line that connects to the caliper

[tbpmusic]

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The fiche calls it "Pipe, Front Brake".

bill2

[eldar]

Well with as often as people misunderstand things, I figured it was best to be sure. I figured it was but some may not have.

[Spikeybike]

i think the proper name would be , "metric brake fitting"  just go to an auto parts store , they'll know what your talking about

[bryanj]

Most fittings wont, fit that is as the threaded nut used by Honda has a different number of TPI to the "standard" metric fitting.
Also the female end it screws into is rarely threaded all the way down so the male nut that is threaded all the way down wont tighten up.

Having said all that if you buy from a decent supplier and tell them you want to use the original Honda steel pipe they should supply with fittings that work

[super pasty white guy]

I think that spiegler has a list of fittings with pictures to help you identify.

spwg

[dusterdude]

i think the proper name would be , "metric brake fitting"  just go to an auto parts store , they'll know what your talking about

no they wont.

[Sam Green Racing]

You tell em mark

Sam.

[tbpmusic]

As far as I know, that part is still available from Honda, less than $10.
Try BikeBandit.....

bill2

[754]

You want an AN adaptor to 10mm x 1.25 pitch in a female form if you want to run the steel (cant figure why you would)

To run into caliper and out from mc you need a male AN adaptor, same thread.

 Check the thread and pitch that was a guess, the second sentence was referring to a single line that has no brake swich or banjo, if you want to run a cleaner setup and you bars permit

[Mach-5(50)]

i think the proper name would be , "metric brake fitting"  just go to an auto parts store , they'll know what your talking about
no they wont.

you are partially right. i assume you say that because of experiences at schuck's, autozone etc.....

from a counterman's perspective a "metric brake fitting" can refer to a lot of things. are you connecting male to male? male to female? do you need to adapt 2 different sizes?

dusterdude...i am certainly not trying to make this personal. as a general rule, if you can take parts and pieces with you, it helps ensure you leave with what you want. from my experience, most people don't know what they want.

tygrant...using stainless braided right to the caliper is not a bad idea. it eliminates any additional leak points.  you can use zipties to keep things out of the way of the tire, or if you want to get fancy you can use adell clamps, or an insulated clam, (commonly used for wiring) to keep things a little more sanitary.

i am not sure about the AN part. i didn't see where it was mentioned that the stainless braided line tygrant is using is an AN type line. i don't see a need to convert. AN has its own sizes and threads, neither metric or sae.

just my 2 cents, from what i have read.

later,

ryan

later, ryan

[bert96]

Ok im ordering  new SS brake line and i need a banjo up top but whats the name of the fitting used to connect to the the "hard" brake line that then connects to the caliper?? i need the correct name of it so i dont order the wrong one! thanks guys

You need this one,

http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=3382

[tygrant]

I am not against running the SS line right into the caliper... i am eliminating the pressuer switch and want to run one SS braided line... the hard line is bendable and i can bend it around the fork and keep the rest of the line off the tire. i suppose i could rig it up with a ss line into the caliper so that it wont touch...

[Mach-5(50)]

what stainless braided hose are you planning to use? do you have it yet?

[eldar]

Run the 1 line and thats it. The steel hose is how old? Plus then you add another connection point which could fail. One hose will minimize chances of leaks.

[crazypj]

Ok im ordering  new SS brake line and i need a banjo up top but whats the name of the fitting used to connect to the the "hard" brake line that then connects to the caliper?? i need the correct name of it so i dont order the wrong one! thanks guys

You need this one,

http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=3382

 That doesn't work right because the caliper has a male end as well. (although if its to screw onto hard line to connect SS line itr is correct)
 To connect the line you need a 90 degree brass adapter to make it work. (it looks a bit like this <>  to mate the flared ends)
PJ
Personally, I don't bother, make my own
PJ

[bert96]

 I bought this fitting when i install my SS brake line and it work perfectly.

[tygrant]

i just called z1 and the helped me out, i think i am going to keep the hard pipe and the end and buy that fitting with one of their SS hoses. hopefuly this front brake over haul will work!!

[wornknobby3]

i'm using the AN-3 set-up w/ the stock degree AN-3 banjo from master to SS braided hose to pressure switch to SS braided hose to a male adapter which screws in my caliper having 10mm x 1.25 thread pitch and AN-3 style on the outside for the hose to screw to. nice clean look w/ out hassle of hard line.

[754]

That what I have run, AN 3 and AN 4. Myself I think banjos are for "The Kid from Deliverance"... and am happy to run same adapter as caliper for the line coming straight out.. looks cleaner if your bars permit. Then I used a drilled stem nut on dual disc, and run the line thru the tree to a tee underneath.. cleaner. Use 45 on the tees, expensive but looks proper..

BTW, your hose exit from caliper may require a 45 degee fitting, to look best and clear parts. If it has to touch some slit a piece of clear tubing a few inches long and put that on the hose..

[tygrant]

Hey 754 are you sure that th caliper threads are 10mm x 1.25 ? i cant seem to find anywhere that states that. i do have a new MC coming in the mail that i KNOW is 10 x 1.25 and it comes with a banjo bolt so il just check it in the caliper i guess when it gets here.

[754]

First post this page, last paragraph, I said I was guessing at pitch, someone will confirm.

if you dont have a guage, a 10mm is just over 3/8 inch, and 1.25 pitch  metric should fit real close to  bolt with 20 TPI.like 1/2 NF or 1/4 NC

[crazypj]

It is 10 x 1.25mm.
 If you don't believe me (or 754) try screwing one of the caliper bolts into brake line hole (the ones that hold the two halves together on swinging calipers)
The bolts are much easier to measure.
PJ

[tygrant]

sweet, thanks alot guys im guna be ordering this stuff up.   i was also telling goon one of my fathers clients owns a state of the art facility for cuting lenses ( hubble telscop type shiz) they have everything imaginable so he offerd to throw my disc on the bridgeport and drill it and slot it. he told me not to worry, if he destroys it he will make me a new one haha il get pic up after its done

[goon 1492]

Ok can we/I see some pics of some of the setups you guys have, I will be doing this eventually after I gather all the parts for the dual disc setup. Tygrant I am looking forward to seeing that rotor when you get it done too.

[tygrant]

i have been lookin all morning and i cant find a 45 degree 10 x 1.25- an3 or an4 only straight connectors... if you know where i can get one feel free to throw it out there

also i assume an3 and an4 are just differnt brake line sizes or something?

[754]

I did not make it real clear;
first you install the adaptor on say the brake caliper and m/c, now you can fasten AN lines.

 Now the ends on the lines can be straight, 80 or 45 degrees. The last 2 sometines are made of tubing, or forged wich is thicker and way more cost.

 I am talking about lines that I put together, I cut the braided hose and put the ends on... I got the parts from Earls Supply.

2 problem I notice with premade,
They are usually crimped on, sometimes not a clean looking.
Some use tubing as part of the ends(especially on Harley lines).
Lengths are usually in 2 inch increments.

I dont like steel tubing on fittings, simply cause they can be sabotaged easily (kinked by hand) or  bend if line gets caught on something moving bikes around. Sort of defeats having a better system if it still has a weak link.
IMO the only really killer looking brake lines were usually made up by hand and fitted carefuly.

-3 is around 1/4 in dia or 5/16 ish
-4 is around 5/16 in dia or 3/8 ish

Now where this comes into play is your routing, as bend radius becomes smaller on the -3.

Example,

On a stock 73 750 fork I had a tee under the tree, and 2  -4 lines going to dual calipers, and they stuck out past the gaiters, did not look so nice.

Then I went to a tee with -3 lines, but used forged 45 degees fittings coming  off the tee, arcing gracefully to a caliper on each side mounted behind the fork.. much nicer but it cost 3 times as much..

I do have pics, but need a buddy to scan and post.. guess I better go ply him with libations..

Another thing i like about selfmade is, you can shorten a line, or take off the fittings and use them on another line.

[tygrant]

OK, making more sense now im looking for cheapest possible route. i notce z1 has lines in 1 inch increments so i might just order a line from them, but then i run into the problem of putting a 45 degree end on it. im going to check this earls supply you speak of. thanks again, been a big help

[754]

Another combo i did not mention,

sometimes you can thread outlet end of front MC to NPT, I belive they make an NPT to -3 or 4 fitting, might be blue anodized.

You may not want to retap your master cylinder, unless you have a spare... but the stock threads are quite long and you may be able to get both in there (providing sealing face surface did not get too big, for banjo & washer use)

On High bars I have used a 90 coming out the master cylinder, on drag bars I used straight

[Mach-5(50)]

i would check out Earl's plumbing (not actually house plumbing)    http://www.holley.com/division/Earls.asp

or Russel Performance  http://www.russellperformance.com/

if you have a "speed" shop locally they may have these brands. some place like summit or jegs will most certainly have them available. depending on where you live, they may not be as metric friendly. i know my town is not. you may have a choice between steel or aluminum, so keep that in mind. personally, i am a fan of steel if it has threads. either brand should be able adapt from metric to AN. what i don't know about the calipers is if they are in fact inverted flair. i haven't taken mine apart yet. not necessarily a big deal as far as availability is concerned, but it is critical to know if you want them to seal. with earls you may not need any adapters to AN. i fitted their stainless braided hoses onto my BMW and they require bubble flair. so 10 x 1.25 inverted, or even gasket seat, should not be an issue. i would imagine they would even have banjo to inverted flair in reasonable lengths. i am of the opinion that if you can do this without conversion fittings, that is the way to go. (90 or 45 degree fittings aside.) i am not sure what advantages adapting to AN would have, if it wasn't necessary. and keep in mind you don't necessarily have to look for motorcycle specific hoses, though they may be offered. don;t tell anyone, but my brake hoses are not DOT aproved, but pressure tested to aver 4000psi. *i do not advocate using non-DOT approved parts, or parts intended for off-road use only on street applications. that is my formal disclaimer. good luck with your search. be sure to let us know what you come up with.

later,

ryan

[WHALEMAN]

My setup. Dan

[754]

We got some pics posted of the brake setup with -3 lines on a dual disc setup.

Look for a thread called 754 pic.. posted by 1080, think it is on page 3