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Offline kmoll70

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Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« on: December 16, 2008, 05:27:45 PM »
I am in the midst of rebuilding my engine (and the rest of my bike) and have come to a halt in making sure I have a rock solid oil pump

At the beginning of my build I was talking to a local guy who used to race old CB's, and he couldn't stress enough the importance of making sure I had a reliable oil pump to put back into my rebuilt engine.

I currently have two oil pumps, both of which have rotors that show considerable wear. I've searched around and sent out a couple emails to various vendors looking for a NOS replacement, and as you can imagine, have fallen short. apparently the part used to be supplied in a oil pump assy but has since been discontinued.

What kind of options are out there? What do you guys do when it comes to sourcing parts for vital components like the oil pump? Other than buying another 30 yr old oil pump which I don't know anything about from eBay, I am unsure where to turn.

Any suggestions??
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 05:42:26 PM »
what motorcycle? year and model will help in that quest

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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 03:44:03 AM »
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 03:36:03 PM »
anything? seems like once parts such as oil pumps are no longer available for this engine, that it will be the end of its popularity.
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 08:14:45 PM »
yeah right.. Like 20,s Indian, Harleys, and such.. no more demand... ;)

Any pump that has been run will probably have some scoring, if cleance is ok, it should work..


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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 09:14:28 PM »
I never really thought about it. They don't sell oil pumps at the dealer or they don't sell parts??
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 01:35:32 PM »
neither the oil pump assy, nor a complete oil pump are available through any of the internet based OEM dealers
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 09:15:04 PM »
Have you tried a regular dealership? If they can't get em.....does that mean we have a problem?? If they can get em.....how much $$???
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Re: Sourcing Oil Pump Parts
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 09:54:24 PM »
I think RXmangriff found the last existing NOS oil pump, in Germany! That's the only one I've seen lately.

Mine has 130,000 miles on it, and until about 110,000 it kept up fine. After that, I pretty much had to stop using 10w50 oils in warmer weather, as the idle pressure would fall off quite a bit. It runs fine with 20w50, and almost as well with 15w50 synthetic (diesel oils). I've gathered a batch of used pumps to see how much they wear at 8k, 20k, 40k and (unknown miles but very abused)k miles, to see if they can be remanufactured. I should know by Spring or so: I've got too many other irons in the fire at the moment.

One thing I have found: the O-rings inside deteriorate and the O-rings that seal to the oil pan flatten and harden. Both begin to leak. The shaft seal, likewise, but I think I have replacements for all of these, now. So, I have to build up a test oiling system, replace the seals in the pump, and see how much improvement might be there. I'm also going to attempt to dust off the body surfaces and reduce the tolerances inside to see what that does to one.

The biggest problem with racing these in the past was in the selection of the weight of the oil, not the lack of pump pressure. Too many 'racers' ran with 10w-something oils because they believed it "created less drag". In truth, at racing temperatures, the 20w50 was not enough, and straight 40w did a better job, outside of needing some preheat to avoid cold-start cam scoring issues. If you put a gauge on these engines, then switch between oil weights, you will be very surprised to see the pressures that pump delivers. It's highly tolerant of wear, and surprisingly durable over time. I wouldn't worry about it, if I were building up an engine. If the issue bothers you, just install an oil pressure gauge in the manifold on the back of the cylinders to put your mind at ease. I usually find, after a rebuild, that 30-40 kicks of the kickstarter will put out the oil light as it fills the engine's system. That switch takes over 30 PSI to turn off when cold: that's a lot of flow from a kickstarter!
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