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Battery Charger
« on: December 20, 2008, 05:40:49 PM »
Hi I was wondering which battery charger would be better for my 750. I have this on on order because it was the smallest amp I could fine @ 2amp http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02871219000P They have been taking for ever in getting it so I think I'm gonna demand my money back. I found this for one  a buck cheaper and it's 1.5 amp.
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_specialty_battery_chargers.html    1.5amp is what we are suppose to use right?
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2008, 06:02:44 PM »
My goldwing say's in manual max. 2 amp charging. I have a 750 manual here I'll check.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2008, 06:46:38 PM »
Sorry I don't have a 750 manual.
I thought I did.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2008, 07:22:58 PM »
battery tender plus is the one i've always used.  http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2. BMW actually markets a relabeled one as their own.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2008, 07:52:11 PM »
Harbor Freight often has trickle chargers in the store.  They do have this online (1.1 amp):

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93781

Slow charging is generally thought of as better (lower amps).  I hope I haven't started another controversy.  :o
« Last Edit: December 20, 2008, 07:53:46 PM by GammaFlat »
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2008, 08:04:01 PM »
my battery tender short circuited and i replaced it with a schumacher.  i think i was supposed to have a lifetime warranty on the BT, but didnt have my reciept from three years ago, or the time to investigate it when the BT started smoking and i needed to get my bike running pronto.  the schumacher seems fine.  i got the onboard one that stays connected to the battery and has a 120 v plug on a 4" cord that you plug an extension to.  its like having a hybrid.  i actually got it because it weighed more than the stand alone chargers and i always buy the heavier option when shopping for electronic stuff due to the amount of internal hidden components of questionable origin.  metal and quality still weighs more than plastic and shyte.  i could now also plug the bike in very easily at night and never worry about a cold low voltage morning, but i probably wont- and then again when i had a kickstart i never worried.  it is also the only shumacher that does 1.5amps and has led indicators that tell you whats going on like the battery tender- the sears one doesnt appear to have these and the peak one looks like slag.  i recommend the schumacher or a BT, which served me well for three years.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2008, 10:13:55 PM »
Pardon my ignorance but what is a battery tender and how does it differ from my battery charger?
I'm asking cos I'm a little tired of removing batteries from bikes to recharge them and if there is a better way I'd love to know. :)
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2008, 10:48:13 PM »
a battery tender, or float charger, maintains i peak battery voltage through pulse charges. so if the charger detects a voltage drop in the battery, even a few tenths of a volt, it will kick on a charge to a peak value. they are usually less than 2 amps. so they differ from a trickle charger in that they will not only turn themselves off, but will also turn back on.
one may not think a few tenths of a volt is much, and really it isn't, but the charge and discharge cycle, or sulfate cycle, is what wears batteries. so over time it does help. selling batteries at a parts store, i would sell batteries to people every year, inevitably they were not charged over the winter, ridden infrequently, and consiquently fail prematurely. same in mowers, boats, rv's, classic cars, etc.
as previously mentioned, if you can mount it on your, bike, or vehicle,(by removing aligator clips and adding ring terminals for instance) and utilize the 110v cord and a close socket or extension cord, they are damn handy! if nothing else, unhooking the negative terminal helps.

hope this answers your question.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2008, 11:47:44 PM »
So I could fit one on my bike and just plug it into the wall socket after a ride and it would maintain my battery?
This I will need to investigate further as I have only ever heard of this on SOHC and maybe we don't have them in NZ, our house supply is 240v which is different to US and Canada.
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2008, 11:58:27 PM »
Do yourself a favour and see if you can get the Saito Procharger. It charges multi-stage  (I /U1 /U2) and desulfatizes lead plates in old batteries. Price is unbeatable. In Europe mailordercompany Louis offers them for € 39,95.
It’s also on offer at British mailordershop Getgeared for less than 50 pounds.
http://www.getgeared.co.uk/SAITO_Intelligent_ProCharger
It had very good press reviews and was the best in various tests.
I have bought this Saito charger myself. With a maximumcharge of 1Ah, it is gentle to my bikebattery. After charging to 100% it completes a test and will maintain a safe 13,8V. First surprise was that it revived an old battery that I had already given up. Then, much to my surprise, it was also capable to succesfully complete it's test-charge-test cycle on a 105Ah marine battery, be it that it took days.

http://www.louis.de/_20c477352fa0537660d4703941bf4bcab3/index.php?topic=artnr_gr&article_context=detail&grwgr=380&wgr=417&list_total=7&anzeige=0&artnr_gr=10003596

Best way: do a charge cycle, store your battery cool and repeat every month. There is no need to have the charger connected all the time. All these little consumers of electricity really add up. If you allow me: they've calculated that in all of Europe two coalburning powerplants work around the clock just to create the electricity for our doorbelltrafos! Mind you: they only ring a few seconds a day (if at all) and all the time valuable energy is lost in... heat. It's the same with all these adapters.
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 12:01:20 AM »
i have no ties to battery tender, but their web site is easy to find.

http://batterytender.com/selection_guide.php

scroll down the page and you will see the part of the chart that specifies input voltage, and several do allow for up to 240v. i would think that there are other brands offer competitive products. you may also check battery distributors, auto part, rv or marine supply outfits in our area.

may be you can get hooked up afterall.

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2008, 06:49:13 AM »
I have a couple Battery Tenders Plus.  I keep one on the Goldwing all winter and the other is in the basement for my other 3 batteries.  Has maintained my batteries flawlessly for 10 years.  I heard about the Battery Tender Plus from the guys on the Goldwing board. 
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2008, 07:48:27 AM »
I use a single Superior Accu-charger (battery tender type charger) to keep 5 bike batteries happy during the winter months.  I put all the batteries is parallel ( +to+ and -to- ) with the charger. Have used the same device and batteries for the last 4 years with no problems.
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2008, 09:42:04 AM »
I use a single Superior Accu-charger (battery tender type charger) to keep 5 bike batteries happy during the winter months.  I put all the batteries is parallel ( +to+ and -to- ) with the charger. Have used the same device and batteries for the last 4 years with no problems.

I had heard about doing it that way but was not sure if it would overcharge the first in the series of batteries?  I have been moving my charger around on all 3 batteries.  Are alligator clips good enough or do I need to screw cables to all + & - poles?
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2008, 11:52:04 AM »
Connection wire has resistance.  The gauge of wire and the connection resistance determine connectivity resistance, and therefore voltage drop in between batteries, and also between batteries and any external power source. (when charging currents are actually present)

You can just hook everything up and trust to luck.  However, the farthest battery will not achieve the same potential of the nearest battery if any charging currents are involved.

Further, unless the electrolyte in each battery had the exact same acidity, and the plate surface area in each battery is identical.  The weakener batteries will be overcharged by the stronger batteries that will never reach their peak power potential.  This is bad for both batteries.

Further, there are hundreds, if not thousands of battery charger, tender, and trickle type designs out there, even within brand specific offerings.
Stating a brand as a reference to charge/maintain a battery is like saying the best way to get to work is by using a Honda.  (Leaving the question open as to whether it was a car, Cub, or  Blackbird.)

The point is:
You have to examine and monitor the output of any charger you select (or know it's published output specs., in order to predict what kind of job it will do under the intended conditions.

>>>Another strong warning about battery maintainers for those using them year round, is to have one that adapts to the ambient temperature.<<<
Batteries use chemical action to convert electrical energy.  The temperature of these chemicals affects their activity level.  A cold battery will have a lower voltage level than a warm battery, even if both are fully charged!  In fact, the batteries' capacity is changed with temperature.
If your charger/maintainer does not compensate for the varying voltage levels of the battery/per temperature, then under what conditions does the charger design expect the battery to be in, hot or cold or "average"?  Such Battery chargers may overcharge a cold battery, and undercharge a hot battery.

Is your battery charger/tender optimized for cold winter months, or summer heat?  If it doesn't compensate for temp, then YOU have to monitor the electrolyte specific gravity, to know if the battery is at peak charge and if you should disconnect the power source.

Here's a chart using 80F for the norm, and includes voltage:
PERCENTAGE OF CHARGE /    SPECIFIC GRAVITY CORRECTED TO 80ºF    /  OPEN-CIRCUIT VOLTAGE 12 VOLT

100/    1.277 /  12.73
90 /   1.258 /   12.62
80 /   1.238 /   12.50
70 /   1.217 /   12.37
60 /   1.195 /   12.24
50 /   1.172 /   12.10
40 /   1.148 /   11.96
30 /   1.124 /   11.81
20 /   1.098 /   11.66
10 /   1.073 /   11.51

(State of charge as related to specific gravity and open-circuit voltage)
 Correcting the readings to 80ºF
    • Add .028/cell for every 10º above 80ºF.
    • Subtract .028/cell for every 10º below 80ºF.

Doing the math.  If your charger is optimized for 80F, it thinks a fully charged battery is 12.73 V and should maintain it at that voltage.
If the real temp is 30F, then the specific gravity (fully charged) would be .125 lower or an SG of 1.102, which is about 11.7V.

If your charger has not been "taught" about temperature effects in batteries, it will try to bring that low voltage up 12.7V and over-charge the battery.  Then, depending on the strength or aggressiveness of the charger to bring that voltage up, it do damage to the battery, by making it lose electrolyte level, and cause the plates to shed metal flakes that collect on the bottom of the battery, shortening it's life.

Simple, eh?

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 12:02:27 PM »
Couldn't you be a bit more precise TT? ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2008, 12:15:36 PM »
You can also use a voltmeter. There's no need to do a chargecycle unless voltage has dropped below 12,55 V. All these tricklechargers that are on constantly...it's just a bloody waste of energy. Moreover, there's always a risk something goes wrong (fire). Just charge once a month and disconnect. Better safe than sorry.
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2008, 08:24:00 PM »
OK found them in Supercheap, but at $90 a pop I think I'll go with occasionally pulling the batteries out and bench charging them.
We don't have the huge temperature variations you guys in the states or Canada do Hell it hardly rains around here on the East Coast of New Zealand! :D
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Re: Battery Charger
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2008, 09:27:37 AM »
My battery tender has killed two batteries by overcharging them, boiling off electrolyte. I no longer use one.

But if you must, get a 12V cigarette lighter plug and socket and wire the socket to the battery and the plug to the charger. Then you can just plug-and-play when you get home from a ride. Side benefit: charge your cell phone while you ride! You can hide the plug behind the sidecover when not in use.
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