I had a call the other day, a guy I recently met has a CL450 he wants to give me for free. Haven't got it home yet, but I looked at it, and it's pretty rough, but not near as bad as my 350f when I got it. I've wanted a 450 for quite a while, and seeing that I don't really have a big winter project to pass the evenings, I'm going to give it a shot. I'll post a pic or two when I get it home.