Author Topic: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!  (Read 1447379 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Brown Bomber

  • Don't mess with me cause I'm a SOHC/4
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,493
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1375 on: November 01, 2010, 07:05:24 AM »
Those are some great action shots, solo 2.  However, if I can issue a word or more of caution to those who might be doing such on the street, I have some "technical" concerns with what is shown.  Now, this might get a bit too "technical" for some - so just skip the rest but remember not to try what is shown.

First of all, cornering on a two-wheeled motorcycle involves a lot of physics where competing forces are balanced in a way can that make for a lot of fun.  The centrifugal forces generated by the turn are attempting to throw the machine and rider off the outside of the corner.  A leaning into the inside of the corner counteracts this centrifugal force by having gravity pull against it, keeping everything in balance.  The faster the corner is negotiated and/or the sharper the turn, the more centrifugal force that is generated.  To balance this, more gravity force needs to be generated usually generated with more lean.  But, the forces generated by a lean are directly influenced by the amount of mass that is overhanging the centre of gravity - more mass generates more force which equates to less lean required, and less mass generates less force which requires more lean.  The "lean" of a motorcycle is held-up by the contact of the tires on the road (which ideally should have a round profile to allow them to roll with the lean), but in the execution of a turn they are subjected to side-forces which could cause them to lose traction.  Also, with an extreme lean of the motorcycle, if any other parts come in contact with the road (i.e. likely causing sparks) then the tires could be "levered" up off the road which would reduce their grip and more increase their likelihood to slide.  In a turn, if one's body is not kept out as one with the motorcycle but instead is positioned upright to the turn as shown in the third photo, then the motorcycle itself is forced to lean more in order to balance the centrifugal forces.  That is not good!  That will be more likely to generate sparks.  That will also generate more side-forces on the tires.  All that is not safe.  (But it looks neat and I'll bet it was fun!)

HondanutRider;
Thanks for the public safety bulletin.

     Getting a motorcycle to stay upright may be a challenge for some beginners, but a knowledgeable and experienced rider will tell you that if everything is in good working order, it is perfectly safe to lean a motorcycle over to the limits of the tires tread pattern if the brake lever, and center stand allow.

     Sure, the geometry of the suspension has to deal with a few new variables when the motorcycle is leaned over, but if it where as hazardous as you suggest, Kenny Roberts would have been a Nascar champion.

Solo 2;
     Really great shots Solo 2. I used to lean my KZ400 over like that back in 1978 when I was 18, and wanted to be the next KR. Wish I had pictures. :(  Still lean my Concours over quite a ways, scraped the mufflers, even a saddlebag once ;D My old CB's scrape too easy :(

Keep the Shiny side up!

1987 ZG1000 "King Crimson"
1972 CB750K2 "Stout"
1976 CB500T "Witch's Promise"
1973 CL450K5 Cafe Project
I'd rather go homeless than chromeless

People get maddest when I've told the truth.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.......
                                                                          Vito Corleone

Offline HondanutRider

  • Ride often - ride long - ride SAFE...and be an
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,283
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1376 on: November 01, 2010, 11:07:32 AM »
Actually, my discussion was to point out that it is not necessary, nor is it a safe practice, to corner and lean the bike so far by putting your centre of gravity in rather than out.  In so doing the motorcycle will be made to lean further than would be necessary if your body stayed upright and parallel to the frame.  Racing riders extend more of their weight off-centre (e.g. throwing a knee out or moving a cheek off the seat) so as to move their centre of gravity out and therefore allow the motorcycle to remain more upright.  They can then actually corner more quickly without scraping metal or running the risk of sliding out.

But, it can make for some sparks!

Offline solo 2

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 144
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1377 on: November 01, 2010, 05:04:17 PM »
I don't suggest or condone people ride on the street as in the pics, but youth and enthusiasm got the better of me. As for the knee thing I owned that bike for 2 years and was never beaten in a road race...never got to see if they had their knees down. You can see in the pics quite clearly that I'm off center on the bike, as for the knee there wasn't much point, hard parts always told me when I was over far enough, not to mention, without leathers, ripping a kneecap off never appealed to me.

You are correct though, would've been faster with more knee and less peg! ;) Probably wouldn't be around to show the pics either.
You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing left to take away.

Offline HedNut

  • Underwater Basket Weaving
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • CB750...A Two-wheeled hellcat from Planet Kickass
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1378 on: November 02, 2010, 05:09:32 AM »
Ahaha.... good writeups fellas... 

As for the pics Solo2....  EXCELLENT!  If it was a lot clearer...I'd post it for Magazine cover material...    "and call the magazine 550's UNLEASHED!" haha

Great "out on the road" pic!

Cheers!


Offline Really?

  • I've come to the conclusion that I AM a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,290
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1379 on: November 02, 2010, 08:07:05 AM »
I don't suggest or condone people ride on the street as in the pics, but youth and enthusiasm got the better of me. As for the knee thing I owned that bike for 2 years and was never beaten in a road race...never got to see if they had their knees down. You can see in the pics quite clearly that I'm off center on the bike, as for the knee there wasn't much point, hard parts always told me when I was over far enough, not to mention, without leathers, ripping a kneecap off never appealed to me.

You are correct though, would've been faster with more knee and less peg! ;) Probably wouldn't be around to show the pics either.

In short, I am suprised I am still alive!

I rode Mulholland Drive & Hwy as well as Angeles Crest on a 400-4, XS1100 and anything else I could sit on that had two wheels.  I wrecked many times.

I rode the P out of that XS1100 attached.  Bondo'ed and painted that tank a few times.  If you notice, no rear brake.  I wore it out and just took it off.  The black engine cover had a big hole in it.  I bondo'ed and painted it.  Speedo and tach are gone in that pic I think.

« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 08:09:07 AM by TipperT »
I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

The Wife's Bike - 750K5
The Kid's Bike - 750K3

Offline Clutch Cargo

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 149
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1380 on: November 02, 2010, 05:21:35 PM »
My first CB750 - 1972 Brier Brown - all stock except for the hog rim and tire.  Kicking myself for selling her.



Clutch
1976  CB750K6
1976 GL1000
1994 - ST1100
1985 - HRS21

Offline Rob-Blok

  • Rob Blok
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9
  • My beauty
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1381 on: November 05, 2010, 07:32:19 AM »
Hello,

Here is a photo off my bike and my son's in Belgium a few months ago. Mine is 1979 F2 in European Colors. I bought the bike last year and already drove about 10.000KM without any problems. That's why I love the CB's!
Greetings, Honda CB750F2 & Honda CB650Ca

Offline Damfino

  • Sneaky, Evil, Magnificent Bastard of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,216
  • Look at the grouse! NYUK,NYUK,NYUK!
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1382 on: November 05, 2010, 03:57:23 PM »


Beautiful CB Rob-Blok, welcome to the forums! ;)
Your Message Here!
You can still call me 'Schmitty'

1976 CB 750
2014 CB 1100DLX
2015 Harley Davidson Freewheeler



You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy.
Charles Manson

You've got to watch your back in the SSDB, this is where the clever guys get bored with bike talk and make poo jokes.
I like my women a little big. Natural. Now, they shave this and wax that. It's not right. I love natural women. Big women. This trend in women has to go. Bulomia, anorexia. That's just wrong. You know what will cure that? My special sticky buns. One lick of my sticky buns and your appetite will come right back. ~ RIP Mr. Borgnine  01/24/1917 - 07/08/2012  :'(

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1383 on: November 05, 2010, 05:21:13 PM »


Beautiful CB Rob-Blok, welcome to the forums! ;)
For sure, really like that blue.   :)
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline Rob-Blok

  • Rob Blok
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9
  • My beauty
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1384 on: November 06, 2010, 10:50:36 AM »


Beautiful CB Rob-Blok, welcome to the forums! ;)

I have seen you're motor on youtube, that is a very very beautiful machine! And it sounds like music in my ears  :)

Greeting, Rob Blok
Greetings, Honda CB750F2 & Honda CB650Ca

Offline RustyOlive

  • rustyolive.com
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 713
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1385 on: November 06, 2010, 03:32:31 PM »
just out playing around one night with the camera.
Untitled by cameron.bateman, on FlickrRustyOlive, on Flickr

Offline IndyFour

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 601
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1386 on: November 06, 2010, 05:43:00 PM »
just out playing around one night with the camera.

Great pics!
1974 CB550K
2000 VFR800FIY
__________________
Indianapolis, Indiana

Offline HedNut

  • Underwater Basket Weaving
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • CB750...A Two-wheeled hellcat from Planet Kickass
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1387 on: November 08, 2010, 07:38:02 AM »
Awesome Photograhic skills!!

just out playing around one night with the camera.

Offline dl52163

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25
    • My Pictures
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1388 on: November 08, 2010, 02:13:45 PM »
Pictures from the urban road.  It may look like I am out in the country but it's in the middle of the city.  This was taken on Glenwood Avenue a couple of miles west of downtown Minneapolis.



Nice to see another F in the crowd of K's. Nice bike. I have one just like it.
Freedom is not Free
www.patriotguard.org

Offline Rob-Blok

  • Rob Blok
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9
  • My beauty
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1389 on: November 09, 2010, 12:11:12 AM »
Very nice 750F1 I think?
Indeed there are very few pictures of 750F's. It's a pity because they are also very nice looking machines, so F owners let's post  ;)
Greetings, Honda CB750F2 & Honda CB650Ca

Offline Hush

  • Finally they realise that I am an
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,761
  • "Lady, I've heard it all before"!
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1390 on: November 11, 2010, 10:29:45 PM »
Had to get the bikes through for their 6 monthly warrants of fitness so we might as well go for a ride. ;D
Breakfast along the wharf area and Jaffa showing off her new helmet. :D
Only fly in the ointment was the guy at the testing station was an ex Aussie bike cop and he knew how to light up my siren and flashers so they wouldn't pass her!
Rang their superiors in Wellington and discovered that they couldn't do that ha ha...I win. ;)
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

Offline BeSeeingYou

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,913
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1391 on: November 11, 2010, 11:11:22 PM »
Had to get the bikes through for their 6 monthly warrants of fitness

We don't have to do that here in Minnesota but there are a few riders I have seen that should be put through a "warrant of fitness". ;D

Offline seaweb11

  • 1st Mate &
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,258
  • Ride & Smile
    • Playground Directory
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1392 on: November 11, 2010, 11:19:28 PM »
Hush, I still can't believe you can actually legally ride that around all day  ;D ;D ;D


Offline Raef

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,317
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1393 on: November 12, 2010, 05:55:11 AM »
turn about is fair play, I guess. All on the top half are going to have to watch those on the bottom half ride (and post pics) for the next four months.

love the bike and the new lid, enjoy

Mark

Offline Hush

  • Finally they realise that I am an
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,761
  • "Lady, I've heard it all before"!
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1394 on: November 13, 2010, 12:15:52 AM »
No Seaweb I ride the white one, the gay looking pink one is Jaffa's! :D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

Offline scunny

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,618
  • don't call me expert
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1395 on: November 13, 2010, 12:15:19 PM »
a nice day on the port hills

« Last Edit: November 13, 2010, 12:47:05 PM by scunny »
past-cb100,ts250,cb500,cb500,gs1000,gs650g.phillips traveller
present-CB 650 retro
            VTR1000F3
           XL250S riverbed rocket
           TS250[sold]
           TS185[sold]
           XL125S[sold]
           MT50 (white)
           MT50 (red)[sold]
           KN250/XS400 project
           XR/XL250 bitsa under construction
           SL100[sold]
           XL250R
           pedal(pub bike) leaks oil
my gallery http://gallery.sohc4.net/members/personal/scunny

Offline andy750

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1396 on: November 13, 2010, 02:13:36 PM »
Wow Scunny!! Outstanding shots!!!

Bike looks amazing!

Andy
Current bikes
1. CB750K4: Long distance bike, 17 countries and counting...2001 - Trans-USA-Mexico, 2003 - European Tour, 2004 - SOHC Easy Rider Trip , 2008 - Adirondack Tour 2-up , 2013 - Tail of the Dragon Tour , 2017: 836 kit install and bottom end rebuild. And rebirth: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,173213.msg2029836.html#msg2029836
2. CB750/810cc K2  - road racer with JMR worked head 71 hp
3. Yamaha Tenere T700 2022

Where did you go on your bike today? - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.2350

Offline Hush

  • Finally they realise that I am an
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,761
  • "Lady, I've heard it all before"!
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1397 on: November 13, 2010, 09:23:11 PM »
Were you holding the camera still or did you wait for a gap in earthquakes? ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

Offline scunny

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,618
  • don't call me expert
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1398 on: November 14, 2010, 09:32:58 AM »
thanks Andy  :D
just have to ride carefully, there is a bit of damage to the roads.
past-cb100,ts250,cb500,cb500,gs1000,gs650g.phillips traveller
present-CB 650 retro
            VTR1000F3
           XL250S riverbed rocket
           TS250[sold]
           TS185[sold]
           XL125S[sold]
           MT50 (white)
           MT50 (red)[sold]
           KN250/XS400 project
           XR/XL250 bitsa under construction
           SL100[sold]
           XL250R
           pedal(pub bike) leaks oil
my gallery http://gallery.sohc4.net/members/personal/scunny

Offline andy750

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
Re: Lets see your SOHC bike out on the road!
« Reply #1399 on: November 14, 2010, 10:13:32 AM »
I got my rebuilt K2 810cc out for the test ride back from MikeR who has meticulously built the engine...

Boston skyline in the distance..

Current bikes
1. CB750K4: Long distance bike, 17 countries and counting...2001 - Trans-USA-Mexico, 2003 - European Tour, 2004 - SOHC Easy Rider Trip , 2008 - Adirondack Tour 2-up , 2013 - Tail of the Dragon Tour , 2017: 836 kit install and bottom end rebuild. And rebirth: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,173213.msg2029836.html#msg2029836
2. CB750/810cc K2  - road racer with JMR worked head 71 hp
3. Yamaha Tenere T700 2022

Where did you go on your bike today? - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.2350