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Offline NitroHunter

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New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« on: January 15, 2009, 03:03:54 PM »
Hey guys,
Just wanted to introduce myself. I'm thinking of beginning the restoration of my 1978 F2 shown here. I purchased this bike new but as you can see over time it became, well, personalized. I used to dragrace this bike out of Seattle in the 80's, back in the days of Dragbike! USA.  I owned, raced, crashed and blew up many SOHC 750s over the years but this one is my keeper.  It's currently gathering dust in the garage but my goal is ride it by summer.
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Offline rklystron

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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 03:37:25 PM »
Welcome,

I also am new to this forum. I have to say "What a great looking ride." I have never seen an F2 like yours. Incredible. A distributor as well as a APE turbo? What are you using for a carb? How many pounds of boost were you running? Compression ratio under 10:1? Nice build. What kind of condition is it in now? Personally I would love to see this bike on the road again. What kind of times were you running with this set-up?

Thanks for posting, and again Welcome!

Scott

1970 CB750 K0 (Bought in 73)
1972 XL250 (Bought new in 72)
1973 ST90 (Free)
1975 XL250 (Free)
1975 Rickman CR750
1982 CBX1000 Pro-link
1975 CB750 DRAG BIKE
1977 Custom Built CB750 Sturgis Bike (GL front end).
1977 CB750 F2 (Big Resto)
1977 CB750A (Auction Buy)
1978 CB750 K8 (My San Francisco ride)
1984 VFR750 (Bought New)

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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 04:31:53 PM »
Hi Scott,
What you see for ignition is a Mallory Sprint mag mounted to an RC drive. It does get people's attention but wasn't conducive to much of Seattle's weather... The turbo system came from Mr. Turbo, I believe the carb was just 34mm, kinda foggy since I haven't laid wrench 1 to this bike in years. The 2 wastegate springs I have are 0-15 and 15-30 psi.
Compression ratio... Depends on which motor. Over the years this bike's had about a dozen different ones, usually becoming a short fused bomb either by design or youthful exuberance combined with engineering inexperience. I'd like to believe that the additional 20+ years since has allowed me that insight.
I've run a 900 kit @ 10.2:1, did that with a lumpy cam / lots of duration /  2 reasons: it blows down the cylinder pressure due to valve overlap, and the cooler exhaust didn't try to spool up the turbine. Of course the wastegate spring was set to pop at about 1 psi, but even running ERC 110 gas didn't keep the rods inside the case one fateful afternoon, but that is a story in itself.
After blowing up all my good stuff one year I was down to scavenging through all my old stock parts if I wanted to go play. I put a motor together using stock cast pistons and 5 base gaskets under the barrels. The compression ratio was 6.8:1 and let me tell you a 44 CID motor is a dog like that - until you get 30+ pounds of boost on it. That motor ran 10.00 @ 142 to win Comp Eliminator at the DragbikeUSA Northwest Nationals in Spokane. DONT starve the motor for fuel (another story)
HOTBYK (as it's Washington plate says) got crashed in 1990, the seat's a little ripped and the tank needs a dent repaired. The paint needs some modernising while maintaining the integrity of the Frank Frezetta mural. A different big motor / turbo combo (spare parts I got plenty of) is going in it. And of course I'm adding a pair of '59 Caddy tail lights just because they look like boobs.
Sorry if I got a little carried away.

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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 06:54:31 PM »
G'Day Mate, welcome to the madhouse! Beautiful bike, I hope when you say you're going to restore it, you mean you're going to restore it to it's former HOTBYK glory? There are plenty of restored F2's out there, but none like yours! Please post more pics if you have them, that thing looks magnificent! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 07:22:10 AM »
Robbie,

No Man, no worries about getting carried away I love to hear of stories like yours. Back in the day you and guys like you were doing state of the art engineering either by design or misfortune. I think in may cases both. I liked your base gasket trick to lower the compression. Good thinking. I have also seen to raise the compression copper coat and tin foil as a head gasket, making sure you have enough room for the valve piston clearance. Just curious, the turbo you were running was it a Rajay? Did it come as a kit or did you have to do the plumbing yourself? On your turbo, did you ever have oil scavenge problems? I have heard keeping the bearings in those turbos was somewhat of a problem. Sorry for all the questions, I hope you dont mind to much.

Well I sure do hope you find the time and bucks to put the old girl back on the road. You certainly have a one of a kind beauty on your hands.

All the best.

Scott
1970 CB750 K0 (Bought in 73)
1972 XL250 (Bought new in 72)
1973 ST90 (Free)
1975 XL250 (Free)
1975 Rickman CR750
1982 CBX1000 Pro-link
1975 CB750 DRAG BIKE
1977 Custom Built CB750 Sturgis Bike (GL front end).
1977 CB750 F2 (Big Resto)
1977 CB750A (Auction Buy)
1978 CB750 K8 (My San Francisco ride)
1984 VFR750 (Bought New)

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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 10:11:39 AM »
Just a few specs here about HOTBYK.
Chromed Kosman torsionally braced box section swing arm +6", raked & braced frame with the removable slipper tubes over the motor, tapered roller bearings in the steering head, blue anodized Mitchell solid wheels, Performance Machine 4 piston calipers and master cylinder, drilled rotors, thermostat controlled oil cooler, mural on the tank, home made seat (I had a local upholstery shop do the sewing) and every bolt was relaced with polished SS allen heads - painted metallic blue inside after torquing. All exhaust was ceramic coated internally after being re-chromed. Water / alcohol injection and air shifted.

I am down sizing to a rayjay B-25 turbo for this next incarnation. This new motor is NOT going to be a racer. It will be pump gas only and probably never going to see 5 psi boost. All my biggest and best motor stuff will of course be used but this is just to be my cool cruiser, with smooth, PREDICTABLE torque at low RPM. (Ask any turbo guy about that last statement for clarification!) A smooth 1/4 fairing, chin spoiler, and unobtrusive but observable turn signals are the more important things.
The 736 cc motor currently in the bike is a small but stout, low hour piece and just fine for the moment. At one time it was my stock, then super stock National record holding motor.


 With the F-2 head I ran into VALVE to VALVE interference when I had the RC 315 cam in my Cobra motor, the piston pockets were generous and not an issue if the cam was timed correctly. Some careful seat work (aka 'sinking the valves') got me about .050" clearances with 80 cfm flow intake / 81 cfm exhaust. In 1979 that Cobra motor ran 170 mph as observed on the speedo. I have carefully watched that speedo many times on the drag strip and at a clocked 142 it reads 2 mph fast, so I do think I was really flying there. I must say that was quite fast back then for a street legal motorcycle.
The Bruce Springstein song 'Glory Days' comes to mind here!

The oil drain line from the turbo is directed from the bottom of the housing to the filler in the case with absolutely no problems, similar to other photos I've seen posted on here. I've had another turbo bike that DID have seals go out and the smoke clouds let you know strait away of that issue, but I suspect that since it was used, this was most likely an issue of it's prior abuse related to wear or oil coking due to improper warm up, cool down, or just plain broken down / improper oil.
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Re: New from Sacramento - retired dragbiker
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 11:13:37 AM »
Brain fart here, the oil drain back is through a fitting drilled into the lock-up clutch spacer.
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