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How to take apart the speedo drive?
« on: January 17, 2009, 10:43:13 AM »
Trying to get this thing apart, trying not to break it.... Found 1 little set screw near the pinion, but don't want to damage it. What way does it come out? cable side or the other end. And how is the ring gear held in. It looks like a sprial ring, but I can get it out...

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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 10:45:16 AM »
Is there no snap rings hiding in grease? I don't know,haven't been in those guts yet....
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 11:12:07 AM »
There is a ring I believe holding in the ring gear, but I can't get it out yet...
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 11:17:57 AM »
OK, so there's a small setscrew below the end of the gearbox, opposite of the cable end.  Remove it.  This releases the end cap closing off the end of the gearbox, pull that cap off.  Next reach inside with needle nosed pliers, grasp the end of the pinion shaft, and remove it by pulling and twisting at the same time.  Pretty sure there's a snapring holding in the ring gear.  Remove that and the ring gear will fall out of the gearbox.

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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 11:21:00 AM »
Why? cos you aint supposed to take it apart and cant get any seperate bits anyway
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 01:13:45 PM »
Thanks mystic!


Why? cos you aint supposed to take it apart and cant get any seperate bits anyway

Cause its filthy and I'm thinking of powdercoating the housing... grease won't hold up 2 the heat...

And lastly I want to  ;D
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 03:57:25 PM »
Why? cos you aint supposed to take it apart and cant get any seperate bits anyway


It makes it much easier to file the housing smooth and polish it.  Oh, and replacing 38 year old grease is cool.

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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 06:58:33 AM »
That's funny mistic I just polished mine this weenend, couldn't get any other work done on the bike yet...
Wife asked me last night what I got out of polishing the crap out of it and why should I even bother and I said well it didn't take much to do it and I didn't want to just sit and watch TV like you are doing.
It also started out as I was just gonna smooth out some of the cast lines and it was all over after that, 400grit and steelwool with chrome polish and volia!
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 07:02:05 AM »
So how would one go about greasing the speedo? Does it have to come apart like what is said so I can gain the proper access to the pinion gear?
Or can I just go in from the side that the drive plate goes into, and what grease would be reccomended, wheel bearing grease? Definetly not high temp grease, that would be like glue when its too cold....
I would like to know what kind of grease to use or what has bee used.
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 07:22:06 AM »
Don't mean to hijack the thread but wow, you sure do like to polish stuff Goon.
It seems like every other thread I read you have polished some other part to a nice shiny finish.
I guess I'm not too big on the polishing much, but then again I'm not married yet  ;)
 
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 09:35:39 AM »
So how would one go about greasing the speedo? Does it have to come apart like what is said so I can gain the proper access to the pinion gear?
Or can I just go in from the side that the drive plate goes into, and what grease would be reccomended, wheel bearing grease? Definetly not high temp grease, that would be like glue when its too cold....
I would like to know what kind of grease to use or what has bee used.




I used wheel bearing grease.  IMO you cannot clean and re-grease this thing properly without disassembly, but then I've never heard of a speedo gearbox failure so I'm thinking these things are pretty bullet-proof.  For me the polishing was the main goal.

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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 09:46:49 AM »
Thanks Mistic I kinda figured wheel bearing grease would be kosher, nice to hear oponions from others who have done it.
Dookiedook I am bad about aluminum and wanting to polish.... :D :D :D JUst can't wait for all the home remodeling is done and I can have my garage back. ;)
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2009, 06:40:49 AM »
That's funny mistic I just polished mine this weenend, couldn't get any other work done on the bike yet...
Wife asked me last night what I got out of polishing the crap out of it and why should I even bother and I said well it didn't take much to do it and I didn't want to just sit and watch TV like you are doing.
It also started out as I was just gonna smooth out some of the cast lines and it was all over after that, 400grit and steelwool with chrome polish and volia!
Whew man I tried to take the one on the right in the pic apart for practice and after I got the set screw out with my micro screw driver, I couldn't get the cap to budge, foolishly tapping on the end that the cable slides into....Only twice and I thought ok now this isn't made to beat up so I stopped and searched for this thread and re-read mistics reply again and am printing it off to take home with me for tonight. I might try to grab onto the side of the cap with some pliers but I didn't want to bugger up the edge, I will have to try and be delicate.
I want to try the one I polished because the cap on it has just enough gap on it to get a flat blade screwdriver behind, I may just have to go that route and leave the extra on alone.
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 06:40:25 AM »
Hey mistic was it a bear to get that end cap off, I can't get either one to budge. Thought about heating it a little but I didn't want to smoke the seal for the wheel on it. Either that or I am getting a syringe used for cold medicine for kids and squirting grease all over the ring gear for it, I fear its like you stated though and it can't properly get greased with out gettn it apart....
i though about how far i could get the grease down into where the pinion gear is and towards the cable connection. Also I wonder if there is a spceific ammount of grease to put in, like as in if you add too much it can cause extra drag on the gearing or even over heating....
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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 09:22:58 AM »
Yeah I wouldn't kill yourself trying to get the end cap out.  I'm trying to remember off the top of my head exactly how I did mine, don't remember having too much trouble with the cap.  I didn't have to use heat, but I do recall having to file down some minor tool marks I left while removing the cap.  What I cannot remember is what tool I made the marks with lol.

Like I said, I've never heard of one of these failing from lack of lubrication.  It's more common that the drive end of hte pinion shaft breaks off.  If your endcap won't come off, I would just squeeze it as full of grease as possible.  Don't over-do it too much but I imagine any excess would simply squeeze out of the seal or other gaps, that area is not exactly water-tight although it's protected fairly well.

The points that will not get properly lubed are:

1. The pinion shaft end runs in a depression that's on the inside of the endcap.  No bearing, no bushing, just a hole in the aluminum cap that the end of the steel shaft runs in. 

2. On the other end of the shaft, the cable end, the shaft passes through a hole in the pinion gear housing.  Again no bearing or bushing or anything.  I don't even think there are any thrust washers in there.

But, if you get enough grease into the pinion gear housing then the fling effect once things start moving should get at least SOME lubrication to these two points.  Should be fine.

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Re: How to take apart the speedo drive?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 09:31:20 AM »
That's what I was thinkin' but it's good to hear for re-asurence
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