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Offline Burnboy

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where to buy cam tensioner ?
« on: January 22, 2009, 01:25:11 PM »
The only place ive found besides ebay was david silver spares and they are out of stock
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 01:36:22 PM »
just found it on cycleexchange but is there anywhere else for less than 55 bucks?
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 01:37:31 PM »
just found it on cycleexchange but is there anywhere else for less than 55 bucks?
uh...what bike?
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 02:23:53 PM »
If it's a 750 Z1 has it for sure (I got mine there)

http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2074

Don't think you'll beat $55 including shipping by much anywhere (I've found) though.

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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 03:30:02 PM »
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 03:43:53 PM »
thanks guys, kinda sucks that after all the parts and buying the chain tool its going to be close to 150 bucks just to replace the cam chain. What is it about these that make the cam the week link of the system? Bad design?
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 03:48:58 PM »
Actually, I think it is more the lack of attention to adjusting he tensioner properly that accelerates the need for replacement.  If the tensioner is mis-adjusted or neglected, it allows the chain to slap.  The more it slaps, he worse the tensioner becomes.  the whole thing just feeds on itself!

I know it gets expensive, but think of how expensive a broken chain and the resulting collision between the piston and valve(s) will be!  Be safe and replace both tensioner and chain if either show signs of ware.
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 08:47:28 PM »
Ask againWHAT BIKE
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 12:24:26 AM »
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 06:26:48 AM »
どんなバイクか。



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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 07:14:04 AM »
'75  cb750 sorry guys
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 08:32:12 AM »
also if i get the heavy duty chain from cycle exchange can i just press in a link like on a normal chain?
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 08:41:19 AM »
also if i get the heavy duty chain from cycle exchange can i just press in a link like on a normal chain?
Not really. The CB750 was never intended to use anything other than an endless chain, requiring crankshaft removal. The rivet type links were intended for smaller bikes, even though the pitch of the chain is still the same. Theoretically, you could cut the old chain, thread in a new, standard size, but broken chain and rivet it. But as said on a CB750 this was never recommended procedure.

I don't think anyone makes a rivet link for the heavy duty cam chains.
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 09:16:23 AM »

I don't think anyone makes a rivet link for the heavy duty cam chains.

    Tsubaki does but it is not sold in the U.S.  I got mine from B.C. Express in the UK. It is the same chain as the Camella heavy duty endless chain, but it is sold under another name.

     Despite "strong" recommendations against I have installed rivet links in both of my big bores. The first time it was because I did not yet feel confident enough to open the crankcase, and the second time because I had buttoned up the entire engine before realizing that I needed a different type of chain to run my M3 tensioner.

    My thinking is this: all the chain links are riveted, or put together, at the factory using very precise tolerances. The single rivet installed by hand by the end user has a much higher probability of error resulting in chain failure. I found that while installing my first rivet link that it was possible to mushroom the pin too much causing the link to bind a bit which, of course, is a bad thing. There is also the probability of not expanding the pin enough which would cause the side plate to come loose and come off entirely in some instances, also very bad.

     Are their reasons other than the ones I've covered as to why a rivet link chain is not recommended for the 750's?
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 09:26:48 AM »

I don't think anyone makes a rivet link for the heavy duty cam chains.

    Tsubaki does but it is not sold in the U.S.  I got mine from B.C. Express in the UK. It is the same chain as the Camella heavy duty endless chain, but it is sold under another name.

     Despite "strong" recommendations against I have installed rivet links in both of my big bores. The first time it was because I did not yet feel confident enough to open the crankcase, and the second time because I had buttoned up the entire engine before realizing that I needed a different type of chain to run my M3 tensioner.

    My thinking is this: all the chain links are riveted, or put together, at the factory using very precise tolerances. The single rivet installed by hand by the end user has a much higher probability of error resulting in chain failure. I found that while installing my first rivet link that it was possible to mushroom the pin too much causing the link to bind a bit which, of course, is a bad thing. There is also the probability of not expanding the pin enough which would cause the side plate to come loose and come off entirely in some instances, also very bad.

     Are their reasons other than the ones I've covered as to why a rivet link chain is not recommended for the 750's?
Thanks, I always figured that somebody somewhere had riveted a CB750 camchain. Guess it was you!   ;D

I wonder if not selling it (the HD rivet link) in the US is a liability issue?

My CB77 305 Superhawk came with a clip type link. The chain is identical pitch and length of a CB750 chain. I wonder if anyone is running around with a clip link in their CB750? At the end of the production run for 305s there was a service bulletin telling dealers to stop using the clip links in favor of a rivet link. However, it was not a recall.  Les Barker in Wash St got me a clip link out of old stock I guess as I don't think Honda sells them anymore.

Those two missteps you mention, pushing the side plate too tight or not mushrooming the pin enough, are the only things I can think of. Takes some repetition, skill or both to get it "just right".

I don't know if there is any data indicating that chains are more prone to breaking at the masterlink than at any other point.

We used to backstop the link on a CB450 chain with a heavy chisel, then peen the pins over in a crosshatch pattern with a fine sharp chisel and hammer. Too cheap to buy a tool. Worked fine. On a 450, one must cut the chain to get the motor apart.
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Re: where to buy cam tensioner ?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2009, 09:47:44 AM »

I wonder if not selling it (the HD rivet link) in the US is a liability issue?


EVERYTHING in the US is a liability issue  :D

   I definitely draw the line at using clip link chains anywhere on my 750's after my final drive chain w/clip link spun off at 70mph. This may have been brought on by an alignment issue(530 conversion), or not, but I don't care to repeat it under any circumstances ;)
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