Author Topic: With Anticipation (Read 4418 times)

gregimotis · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:08:11 AM »

If it makes anybody feel better, the president can't change the constitution whether he wants to or not.

DammitDan · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:06:56 AM »

Quote from: SD750F on January 21, 2009, 07:11:44 AM

Inline4,

Maybe you can be more specific when you said President Obama wants to change the constitution?

The only politician I can remember talking about changing the Constitution was Mike Huckabee (he would support making amendments to the Constitution to follow "God's Standards"... http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html)

Obama was recorded on a radio broadcast in 2001 supposedly stating that the Constitution needed to be amended to allow for a redistribution of wealth. Here is what Obama said:

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples, so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order, and as long as I could pay for it, I’d be OK."

"But," Obama said, "The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, as least as it's been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted in the same way that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted."

He never said that the Constitution needs to be amended to support an agenda (unlike Huckabee). He had criticisms of the Constitution, which is not out of line considering the Constitution was created in a time when all men were NOT created equal. But he also said that the Warren Court (the civil rights era Supreme Court) wasn't out of line with their rulings in regards to Constitutional Law and shouldn't be criticized as such. If anything I would think he was supporting the rights of the state government over the rights of the federal government (which is actually a traditional conservative view). The Constitution isn't an infallible document like so many conservative pundits would have you believe, and the founding fathers realized this which is why they allowed for amendments in the first place.

eldar · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:12:57 AM »

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So.................. if your not liberal you dont know what you are? Shut the hell up.

Did ANYONE say they were liberal? Did I? NO. So maybe you need a tall glass of stfu? Besides, liberal and conservative are basically the same thing. Just a different side of the same coin. A conservative wants to hold onto old values at any cost. This means that many people end up slipping through the cracks and rights advancements is very slow. Remember, there are many conservatives who think blacks should not vote or women. So being a conservative is detrimental to the advancement of civilization.

A liberal wants to advance civil liberties and rights. but that takes a lot of money and involves a lot of strife as many hate change. Also detrimental to civilzation.

So really BOTH suck. A MODERATE would be the way to go. Right down the middle, not too fast and not too slow.

The problem is that people will never ever agree on ANYTHING. Not even what is right. We have religion to thank for a lot of that. But that is another thread. For now, give obama the chance he deserves, just as you would ask others to give mccain a chance if he had won.

inline4 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:24:07 AM »

I will give President Obama a chance. I want him to succeed.
The country NEEDS him to succeed.
......But he said some pretty scary things on the campaign trail.

eldar · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:34:52 AM »

And mccain painted a rosy picture? If you can say yes to that, then I need whatever you are smoking!

inline4 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:47:39 AM »

Quote from: eldar, Master of the K8 Thunder! on January 21, 2009, 09:34:52 AM

And mccain painted a rosy picture? If you can say yes to that, then I need whatever you are smoking!

I never heaped praise on Senator McCain. PERIOD!
Admittedly I respect the sacrifice he made for our country,
but he was NEVER the person I wanted to be POTUS.
Fred Thompson was my first choice; Mitt Romney second, and
Duncan Hunter a distant third.

my78k · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:19:02 AM »

"Maybe you need a tall glass of STFU" LMAO!!!!

Finally something worthwhile comes out of one of these political threads....I LIKE IT!!!

Dennis

DammitDan · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:00:59 AM »

Quote from: inline4 on January 21, 2009, 09:24:07 AM

I will give President Obama a chance. I want him to succeed.
The country NEEDS him to succeed.
......But he said some pretty scary things on the campaign trail.

Wait a minute... You still haven't provided any substantial evidence that he said some "pretty scary things" on the campaign trail.

Could you please elaborate?

inline4 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:33:03 PM »

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been at work.
Yes, I have a job and my "patriotic duty" is to make as much money as I can so that I may
help support the bailout of the housing industry as well as the big 3 automakers, etc.
I'm tired and want to get some rest. I WILL respond to your questions and requests
tomorrow (before I go to work).
WAIT!
Perhaps I should just quit working and apply for a bailout myself!
Oh yea, that's the ticket! Friggin' A!
You libs are starting to make some sense now!

eldar · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2009, 06:15:26 AM »

Us libs? We ain't gettin no bail out neither! You only get bailed out if you are rich and are threatening to not be rich anymore!

Lamp · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:18:36 PM »

Quote from: inline4 on January 21, 2009, 09:33:03 PM

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been at work.
Yes, I have a job and my "patriotic duty" is to make as much money as I can so that I may
help support the bailout of the housing industry as well as the big 3 automakers, etc.
I'm tired and want to get some rest. I WILL respond to your questions and requests
tomorrow (before I go to work).
WAIT!
Perhaps I should just quit working and apply for a bailout myself!
Oh yea, that's the ticket! Friggin' A!
You libs are starting to make some sense now!

can't you see how saving 1000's of jobs is going help the economy. that is idea behind the bail out plans. save the companies form going under and the 1000's people that work for the companies are saved as well

but yeah go ahead and quit your job. good luck getting a bail out for yourself

ofreen · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:07:45 PM »

Quote from: fuzzybutt on January 20, 2009, 11:57:34 PM

hell, i thought that with the election over all this political crap was over with, sheesh

It seems to me elections don't end the political crap, they start it.

Quote from: gregimotis on January 21, 2009, 08:08:11 AM

If it makes anybody feel better, the president can't change the constitution whether he wants to or not.

The problem isn't changing the Constitution (there is a procedure for that), it is when they ignore or circumvent it.

billybobobrain · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:36:43 PM »

Quote from: inline4 on January 21, 2009, 09:33:03 PM

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been at work.
Yes, I have a job and my "patriotic duty" is to make as much money as I can so that I may
help support the bailout of the housing industry as well as the big 3 automakers, etc.
I'm tired and want to get some rest. I WILL respond to your questions and requests
tomorrow (before I go to work).
WAIT!
Perhaps I should just quit working and apply for a bailout myself!
Oh yea, that's the ticket! Friggin' A!
You libs are starting to make some sense now!

Wait..... I thought you said there's no such thing as a Lib! Are you changing your mind? Or just flip flopping.

Does this mean that socialists, Communists, fascists, and even those elusive conservatives exist?

putnaja1 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2009, 06:32:06 PM »

Quote from: eldar, Master of the K8 Thunder! on January 20, 2009, 09:25:27 AM

I know some people do not like him or anything he stands for (even though they would think different if he was republican) but one has to hope the next 4 years will see a turn around. We have to hope things will get better not only at home but abroad as well. I really feel that there are countries where an American would now be shot if people found out the person was American.

What a ridiculous statement! So I guess in your mind, all of us evil Republicans are so stupid, that if the only thing that was different about him was that he was Republican, we'd be all for him?

You are right that there are countries where Americans would be shot on sight- but it's not from Bush's doing. It's because they don't like the fact that we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Also, a lot of other countries hate us because we have done well economically in the past, and in some cases we are perceived as being more powerful and advanced then their country is perceived. There are a lot of countries that also hate our culture. I refuse to apologize for any of these things. Perhaps other countries should practice more tolerance of others?

One thing that really ought to concern a lot more people is this: How is it that a known tax evader is the new secretary of the treasury? Why is it the media isn't having a field day with this, yet they invested lot of time publicizing numerous allegations over Rumsfeld's business dealings, as if he was already a proven crook? Does that bother anyone else? Should there at the least be evenly biased coverage in the media? In Wikipedia.org, John McCain's site was loaded with negatives about him. Hillary Clinton's too. Yet, Obama's page was always squeaky clean! No references at all to any conspiracies or questionable associations (at least when I checked).. Why is that?

In the end- I am still happy Obama got elected- it shows that we are finally an equal opportunity country! We freely elected a non-white president, and there were no riots or beatings or anything like that.

PS: I liked Obama's inauguration speech. Honestly!

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2009, 06:59:24 PM »

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It's because they don't like the fact that we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Also, a lot of other countries hate us because we have done well economically in the past, and in some cases we are perceived as being more powerful and advanced then their country is perceived. There are a lot of countries that also hate our culture. I refuse to apologize for any of these things. Perhaps other countries should practice more tolerance of others?

Not trying to stir up a hornets nest but I find these answers a bit simplistic. We are a great friend of the USA but found Bush to be an arrogant, self important, screw the consequences type of leader and am glad for the worlds and Americas sake he is gone. And as far as how well you do economically, look at the problems you have now, your problems have become the worlds problems and Bush's admin decided not too listen to sound economic advice, even ridiculed it, and look whats happening now. More powerful yes, more advanced not at all,and as for tolerance jeeze, i don't know if Bush had any idea of what that meant. It is mainly,{except in the middle east}, Bush's "i will do as i please" attitude that has made it harder for Americans abroad and i think it is a shame if people think he is your "average" American. We have a saying in Australia and i think John Howard lent it to Bush, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullsh1t", we are not so gullible.

No offense intended, just an outsiders opinion.

Mick

putnaja1 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:46:45 PM »

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Not trying to stir up a hornets nest but I find these answers a bit simplistic. We are a great friend of the USA but found Bush to be an arrogant, self important, screw the consequences type of leader and am glad for the worlds and Americas sake he is gone. And as far as how well you do economically, look at the problems you have now, your problems have become the worlds problems and Bush's admin decided not too listen to sound economic advice, even ridiculed it, and look whats happening now. More powerful yes, more advanced not at all,and as for tolerance jeeze, i don't know if Bush had any idea of what that meant. It is mainly,{except in the middle east}, Bush's "i will do as i please" attitude that has made it harder for Americans abroad and i think it is a shame if people think he is your "average" American. We have a saying in Australia and i think John Howard lent it to Bush, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullsh1t", we are not so gullible.

No offense intended, just an outsiders opinion.

Mick

I really don't think you can blame the Bush administration for the current economic woes. There was a lot of freakin greed going on that led to this problem: outsourcing of jobs and entire industries, over-inflation of housing, ridiculously bad lending practices, poor self-acountability, the crappy cars that the USA auto manufactures keep peddling.. There's a lot to this, including the fact that financial ruin was one of the goals of the terrorists on 9/11. Also, playing up economy problems in our biased media makes people ripe for "change"..

Personally, I found Bush to be humble- he wears a cheap Timex watch. Look what big money watches some other leaders are wearing. I think that says a lot about a person. But, there is no convincing others- who are hell bent on hating the guy. Do people also feel the same way about Israel- that they are arrogant and "will do as they please" because they defend themselves against terrorist rocket attacks?

eldar · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:05:26 PM »

A timex means nothing. It is a watch. Look at his ranch he is retiring too. Not a small shabby place by any means. Also, we WERE more welcome around the world when clinton was in or even Bush (the decent bush) and reagan, even if some may have thought it was funny that we had a movie star for a president. A lot of that changed after bush got in. Sorry but that is the truth. I wish it was not so but it is. Now not everyone hates us, many still like americans but disliked or even hated bush and this includes england and as you read, Oz.

Clinton did put some of the practices in place but bush removed a lot of the REGULATIONS and THAT is where things started to go wrong. Suddenly there was a lot of cheap money and of course people want it and will spend it. It certainly was no surprise. As for crappy US cars, both oldsmobiles I had were awesome. The were freaking tanks and would plow thru snow almost like a truck. I blew the tranny after running it with BLACK fluid for MONTHS. I doubt even a honda would have done better. The other I sold and is still running.
I had a 95 s10 2wd and I went through snow that 4x4 got stuck in. NEVER had an issue. My hhr I have now starts in anything. No matter how cold it has gotten, I have always been able to start it.

now maybe you have had different but ALL gm cars I have had have been good, trucks too. Now chrysler, different story. Ford has been ok but I feel they build weak designs. I had a 97 mercury sable and it felt like paper compared to my olds.

As for Israel, they can all die for all I care. Yes they can defend themselves but that does NOT give them permission to kill children and when family members come to get the body, they get shot at while dogs maul the childs body. NO ONE has the right to do things like that. It has been documented by many different media outlets. Yes israel can defend themselves BUT civilians are not targets. I guess the jews there want to emulate hitler. after all, that is what he did. Sorry but afte I have read the articles, I have no sympathy.

DammitDan · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:13:33 PM »

Meh,

I just gotta say, freedom of speech (as long as it's in English Linkey 1) and freedom of religion (as long as you're Christian Linkey 2). If you're speaking Spanish or if you're a practicing Muslim, get ready for some discrimination. Funny, freedom of the press always seems to be left out of those first amendment rights. I guess it's because they're so damn liberal.

Speaking of freedom of the press, how 'bout them NSA warrant-less wiretaps specifically targeting journalists? We may have very narrowly avoided a very 1984-esque existence. I WANT someone to go to prison for this blatantly illegal activity, but I know it would just be called a "socialist witch hunt" by the conservative propagandists.

http://www.commondreams.org/video/nsa-spied-journalists

Anyone else notice how "socialism" is the new buzzword from the Neo-McCarthyists camp?

Demon67 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 23, 2009, 04:19:06 AM »

Hey Dan, I think I'm developing a pet hate about those who babel about socialism all the time, I would imagine that on the extreme left they would babel about fascism the same way and with the same hysteria.
I wonder if it's just small minds unable to encompass a bigger world than they are used to, or an obsessive need to pigeon hole every thing so that no thought is required, personally as I go into my 7th decade I am of the opinion that rather than words or ideology's the thing to watch for is the actions, do they stand the test of does it work, does it work for the people. As far as your freedoms that have been eroded, I also think probably that the time to re-instate those freedoms is now, because your gov is much the same as mine, they hate, positively hate giving up powers.
Bill the demon

putnaja1 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 23, 2009, 04:53:10 AM »

Quote from: eldar, Master of the K8 Thunder! on January 22, 2009, 08:05:26 PM

A timex means nothing. It is a watch. Look at his ranch he is retiring too. Not a small shabby place by any means. Also, we WERE more welcome around the world when clinton was in or even Bush #19 the decent bush) and reagan, even if some may have thought it was funny that we had a movie star for a president. A lot of that changed after bush got in. Sorry but that is the truth. I wish it was not so but it is. Now not everyone hates us, many still like americans but disliked or even hated bush and this includes england and as you read, Oz.

Oh, OK.. Lets hate him because he's got money. Why don't you apply the same logic to Al Gore? His spread is = to if not more then Bush's..

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As for Israel, they can all die for all I care. Yes they can defend themselves but that does NOT give them permission to kill children and when family members come to get the body, they get shot at while dogs maul the childs body. NO ONE has the right to do things like that. It has been documented by many different media outlets.

Again, as reported by "different media outlets", and we all know that the media is fair and unbalanced. I'd like PROOF! Also, what about indiscriminate firing of rockets into populace areas? You mean to tell me that there are no kids in that area of Israel when hamas fires off those rockets? Then they bravely hide behind some innocent people.. Why don't you incriminate the real bad guys? Is it because they have less "power"?

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Yes israel can defend themselves BUT civilians are not targets. I guess the jews there want to emulate hitler. after all, that is what he did. Sorry but afte I have read the articles, I have no sympathy.

I am utterly speechless. So now Israel is committing genocide?

Caaveman82 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 23, 2009, 06:47:58 AM »

#1) Even though he was a comedian, Bill Hicks was a smart man and had the government pegged. "Here is politics in America. I believe the puppet on the left shares my beliefes, well I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking...... hey wait, there's one guy holding both puppets! Shut up America! Go back to sleep, your government is in control. Here drink some more beer and get fat and stupid!"

#2) What did every Bush supporter tell every non-Bush supporter after 9/11? "You gotta stick by your president!" "You have to support America by being behind your president!!" Well guess what, we tried that for 8 years, now we have a new face, so guess what I am going to tell you? "Shut your mouth and get behind your president." You want to claim he is not your president? Fine, leave America. You live here means you agree with the rules and the way things are run, you don't have to like them, but he is YOUR president wether you like him or not.

Just sayin...

P.S. I saw a bumper sticker that said "Don't blame me! I voted for David Duke!" Hahahahahhaha

eldar · « **Reply #46 on:** January 23, 2009, 06:55:23 AM »

Put, have you been in a shell? Have you not read ANYTHING? You want proof, what kind? Am I supposed to go and get a body to show you along with confessions from the israelis? Yeah I am sure I can pull that one off. Maybe if you bothered to look at anything but YOUR news channel, you might have heard about this. I have read the same things from sources such as the bbc and npr. So these articles come from more than just 1 area.

And yes, I DO feel that the jews are committing genocide, or at least attempting to before they get stopped.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7839863.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=29734
http://www.alternet.org/audits/119374/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/18/israel-war-crimes-gaza-conflict
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=6578174&page=1
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5776

So should I find more? If you haven't noticed, israel has been under pressure to withdraw by many countries and finally have sort of done so. Sorry but there has been too much reported from different agencies for at least soem of it to not be true.

http://www.unicef.org/emerg/index_47102.html

Maybe this is how you like to see kids?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/free_world/3195570908/in/photostream/

I wont bother anymore as it may be lost on you. Bottom line is israel is not the victim here. Indeed I wonder if they are not a terror state. Do they have to terrorize the US to be a terror state? Nope, just civilian life.

DammitDan · « **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2009, 07:53:19 AM »

Regarding the Israel - Palestine situation, I just have to say...

The tally of Israeli civilian fatalities from rocket strikes since 2002 is 19. Link 1

The total number of Palestinian civilian deaths from the invasion of Gaza is approaching 800. Link 1

You say there's nothing out of the ordinary here?

eldar · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2009, 07:55:33 AM »

Glad to see others find it odd.

upperlake04 · « **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2009, 07:57:43 AM »

(Quick hijack) Dan - can you describe in easy terms how to do the tidy Link1 thing? I asked this before and the directions were over my head. (highjack over)

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