Topic: What oils/fluids are you using??

[moham]

Considering the larger the town the less "small" stores you have. I think the whole argument is moot.

That just doesn't make any sense. Of course there are plenty of mom & pop stores in cities. More than in small towns, to be sure. That's why the sudden disappearance of a couple shops in a small town is so immediately obvious. Granted the big chains are well-represented in cities but the market is much larger making it easier for the small places to get by. Why do you think Wally sets up in so many rural areas? Out of the goodness of their hearts or for market share and slight competition?

Sorry but if the prices are too high, I go somewhere else. Simple as that. I can get a large box of cereal for my kids for under $3 at walmart when at the grocery store, it is $4. Same groceries as any other store but cheaper. Why then would I go somewhere else?

Because the ultimate cost is higher than what you save in the short term.

To support the little guy as he employs less people and does not offer any better benefits?

I think a pretty convincing argument could be made that the monopolistic tendencies of corporate America are partly at issue in the disappearance of employee benefits.

What I find funny in all of this is that target is a carbon copy yet I bet you do not hate them do you, even though they pay their emps even less with less benefits.

First of all, Target does nowhere near the revenue Wally does. In any case, my personal opinion of large corporate chains is roughly the same. Walmart is singled out for their own particular vapidity and callousness. (I could also say that, for me, Target is a local business as they are based here, but I'll leave that alone.)

Anyways, this is about fluids.

Dude, it's an oil thread. Where else can a guy rant around here?

My bottom line is I will get what I want, where I want and that where is usually the place with the lowest prices.

Hallelujah, brother. Amen.

[moham]

Oh yeah, and I still want to know if anybody has used Schaeffer? (I don't really care where they got it...)

[goon 1492]

Oh yeah, and I still want to know if anybody has used Schaeffer? (I don't really care where they got it...)

Beer? My step dad did by the sixpack, 2.50 a six pack even though the whole six pack had one beers worth of alcohol in it......
Just kidding. I hear what ya'll are sayin' two kids, two step kids and a wife livin' off my income. I work for a small company too, we are larger than alot of other sign shops but only employ 70 people and 30 of them were laid off in the last 3 months.... Most of those people I have worked with for almost 10 years...
I do bieleve Target is owned by a french company...... Or they were...
I would like to hear what kind of chain lube ya'll are using, I used Pj-1 for a long time, used golden spectro for my 2 stroke mix.
I tried using royal purple oil in my 03' dodge ram but I can't afford that 8.00 a quart goodness, I liked it because their indepent tests stated it had 400x film strength than dino or sythn. oil and it had virtually no oxidation factor.

[eldar]

OK I think you need to back off your ideals a little. They are blinding you or atl east not allowing you to see the other way.

Sorry but if the prices are too high, I go somewhere else. Simple as that. I can get a large box of cereal for my kids for under $3 at walmart when at the grocery store, it is $4. Same groceries as any other store but cheaper. Why then would I go somewhere else?
Because the ultimate cost is higher than what you save in the short term.

How is this going to cost me more in the long run if the groceries are EXACTLY the same? The grocery stores will close? GOOD. I am tired of paying the inflated grocery store prices. I worked in one. I got the see the markup lists. It was sickening how much they mark things up.

To support the little guy as he employs less people and does not offer any better benefits?
I think a pretty convincing argument could be made that the monopolistic tendencies of corporate America are partly at issue in the disappearance of employee benefits.

Maybe but then I am sure a just as convincing argument could be made the other way.

What I find funny in all of this is that target is a carbon copy yet I bet you do not hate them do you, even though they pay their emps even less with less benefits.
First of all, Target does nowhere near the revenue Wally does. In any case, my personal opinion of large corporate chains is roughly the same. Walmart is singled out for their own particular vapidity and callousness. (I could also say that, for me, Target is a local business as they are based here, but I'll leave that alone.)

And here you could be wrong. So sorry as a chinese would say. Target WAS walmart in image at one time. They were around before walmart in many areas. SO EVERYTHING you apply to walmart, can and does apply to them. So what if the corp offices are based in Mn. Does that mean for bentonville, walmart is hometown too?  Fact is that walmart took targets practices and did it better. As they ARE NO WORSE that target on benefits, your argument is baseless. Not to mention target wages BEING LESS  than walmart wages for the same work. this would go for costco and pamida and all the other chain retailers. They ALL practice the same policies.

So ultimately, I look out for myself and family now as you never know what will happen in the future. You could do everything right and die in an accident. Is that extreme? not at all since it happens everyday.

[cafe750]

Sorry but if the prices are too high, I go somewhere else. Simple as that. I can get a large box of cereal for my kids for under $3 at walmart when at the grocery store, it is $4. Same groceries as any other store but cheaper. Why then would I go somewhere else?
Because the ultimate cost is higher than what you save in the short term.

How is this going to cost me more in the long run if the groceries are EXACTLY the same? The grocery stores will close? GOOD. I am tired of paying the inflated grocery store prices. I worked in one. I got the see the markup lists. It was sickening how much they mark things up.

So, where are the folks that lose their jobs supposed to go?

I'll go to the local NAPA, and pay the extra $4.00 for the gallon of oil, because the guys behind the counter actually perform a service. They aren't the mindless minions that usually work the automotive aisle at Wal-mart.

If you walk into your local shop, there are usually folks that are experienced in what they are selling, and for example, if you have questions about what camshaft you should run in your small block chevy with these heads, and those pistons, they can answer them for you.

 Same goes for Internet vs. bike shop...if its a good shop, you're paying the couple of extra bucks for the service, and the advice that they can offer.

 Have the internet guys spent their own money to try the wares they sell, so that they can give an honest opinion, or bought a motorbike so that they aren't clueless about the product that they're selling parts for? No. They only care about the bottom dollar, not actual customer satisfaction.

When you need help rebuilding your master cylinder, go ahead and try to get the internet guys to help you. I've had folks come in, that couldn't get that damn snap ring out, and I'll go in the back and pop it out for 'em. (Honda ones too!) That's not an worth extra dollar for a part?

Sorry, but I'll actually spend a few dollars more, and get a level of service that I can't get at wallyworld, or on the internet.

Rant over
-Your local BMW motorcycle parts guy

[eldar]

Ahh but now you are talking something COMPLETELY different. Of course I would not go to walmart if I did not know what I need, but then again, most the counter people at parts stores do not know either! As I KNOW what I want, walmart suits me fine as I do not need any help. As for those people, what does everyone else do when they lose a job? They find a new one. I did and I bet most of us here did to at some point in time. Not every job lose comes as a result of walmart, I would actually say very few do. tell me, is our current job loss come from walmart? Of course not. Sure I bet people have lost jobs when walmart came to town, but I bet very few hove not found another job.

As for shop guys know what they are taking about, have you gone into your average honda shop and asked them for parts? In almost EVERY situation, I have to tell THEM what the part is and does and works for, and then hope they do not screw it up.

Have the internet guys spent their own money to try the wares they sell, so that they can give an honest opinion, or bought a motorbike so that they aren't clueless about the product that they're selling parts for? No. They only care about the bottom dollar, not actual customer satisfaction.

So hondaman never tested his ignition? So jeff from z1 does not care? What about Ken from cycleX? He does not care or know what he is doing? Bad labeling on your part huh.

but hey, if you want to spend $4 bucks more for the same oil I get, be my guest. Its not my money and it does not affect my wallet in any way.

So I guess until I win the lottery or something, I will do what saves me money and works for me. I do not expect you to do it. However, I will not debate things that have never really been proven either such as walmart has caused people to be unemployed for life. Besides, I will listen to my grandpa who worked for walmart and they always treated him fairly. As he was a very good teacher and retired because he got sick of snot-nosed 7th graders with no respect, he has some experience. Oh wait, he also worked for the railroad too so he knows what it is like to work.

[cafe750]

Ahh but now you are talking something COMPLETELY different. Of course I would not go to walmart if I did not know what I need, but then again, most the counter people at parts stores do not know either! As I KNOW what I want, walmart suits me fine as I do not need any help. As for those people, what does everyone else do when they lose a job? They find a new one. I did and I bet most of us here did to at some point in time. Not every job lose comes as a result of walmart, I would actually say very few do. tell me, is our current job loss come from walmart? Of course not. Sure I bet people have lost jobs when walmart came to town, but I bet very few hove not found another job.

As for shop guys know what they are taking about, have you gone into your average honda shop and asked them for parts? In almost EVERY situation, I have to tell THEM what the part is and does and works for, and then hope they do not screw it up.

Have the internet guys spent their own money to try the wares they sell, so that they can give an honest opinion, or bought a motorbike so that they aren't clueless about the product that they're selling parts for? No. They only care about the bottom dollar, not actual customer satisfaction.

So hondaman never tested his ignition? So jeff from z1 does not care? What about Ken from cycleX? He does not care or know what he is doing? Bad labeling on your part huh.

but hey, if you want to spend $4 bucks more for the same oil I get, be my guest. Its not my money and it does not affect my wallet in any way.

Yes, in a vast generalization, there are exceptions to said generalizations. Mark, Jeff, and Ken are some of those. Call up BikeBandit, and see what sort of help you get.

I guess I've just been lucky with my local Honda shop, where the parts guys have been around since 750's were new, one the owners have been Honda tech's since '69, and are often times in the shop and the service manager races CB550's and 750's. They treat me like I've bought a brand new bike, and I'll admit, that's hard to find.


One thing that I didn't say in my above rant, is it's quite annoying to spend an hour fitting a person for a complete set of riding gear, from the helmet to the boots, and have them say that they're going to go and buy it online.

We recently had University Honda close up, the oldest Honda dealer in the US, and it's been kind of a shock to the local bike guys...

It's not about the $4, its about helping to keep the doors open, and contributing to the community...

Are you somehow saying that I don't know what it is to work? You have absolutely no Idea of what I've done for the last 10 years of my life...I've busted myself for what I have, and have scrimped and saved for everything that I do own. But I also believe in helping someone else do the same. From maintaining logging trucks and heavy equipment while I was in high school, to building houses up till eight months ago, I think I know a bit about work...

As for snot nosed 7th graders, that's a parenting thing, and the lack of respect for others is what is seriously wrong with this land...

On a completely different note, I like to use either Castrol 20w50, or Honda HP 20w-50 with moly, or 10w40 in the same brands...

[TwoTired]

It's not about the $4, its about helping to keep the doors open, and contribute to the community...

Selfish people don't care about community, only their myopic view of themselves. 

Isn't this the "me" generation?

Kinda why loud pipes appeal to some, I guess.

Is their someone I missed insulting?

 

[Duke McDukiedook]

Yep, we here in the good old USA (and most of the world) like everything cheap (no matter what the REAL cost is), look at the short term (banking mess anyone?) and we seem to be in a big hurry to the bottom LCD at everything we do. Am I part of the problem? You bet, we all are, we have allowed big corporations and banks to take control of our government and thus, our lives all in the name of cheap and easy.

Whenever I can I try to give my money to the mom and pop stores or shop at local chains for food and whatever. Does it cost more? Sure it does, but if I can't afford to buy it from those places I don't buy it.

Castrol 10W40 and 10W Honda fork oil (I think).

[OldSchool_IsCool]

Not your average, everyday oil thread!

And TT, you missed us bald guys!

[upperlake04]

  Yes, and us commies and socialists. You're getting downright tender in your dotage..   

[moham]

Sure I bet people have lost jobs when walmart came to town, but I bet very few hove not found another job

Well, shucks. Dubbya would well up to hear you say that.

Apparently Schaeffer makes food grade oil as well, so I'm pretty sure you can drink this stuff. I've got Schaeffer 5w40 (I think) in my 750.

[eldar]

Well prove then that all those that lost a job due to walmart never found work again. If you can do that, I will believe it then.

As for tt, he is every bit as self centered as anyone here. He just likes to be more arrogant about it. That and he gets pissy when he is wrong about things. his trying to spar with mike on engines showed that.

Whenever I can I try to give my money to the mom and pop stores or shop at local chains for food and whatever. Does it cost more? Sure it does, but if I can't afford to buy it from those places I don't buy it.

Thats all fine if it is stuff you do not really need. But when you are supporting a family and need to save every dollar you can, then lets here your tune. I get what I need and save the rest and I will get it for as cheap as I can. Sometimes I go to the dented can store to get it even.

Are you somehow saying that I don't know what it is to work? You have absolutely no Idea of what I've done for the last 10 years of my life...I've busted myself for what I have, and have scrimped and saved for everything that I do own. But I also believe in helping someone else do the same. From maintaining logging trucks and heavy equipment while I was in high school, to building houses up till eight months ago, I think I know a bit about work...

Ooohh so touchy and defensive. Get over it. I was saying my grandpa knows about work. More than you and me I bet as EVERYTHING was done by hand. I was using his experience to show that walmart may not be all bad if any of you bothered to find out without listening to the news. But I am sure you will say you know thousands of people personally that have suffered from walmart.

As for keeping them open and such, we have it good now. do you think our grandfathers had this sort of convenience? Do you think there were all these stores, even the small ones? So it was the oldest honda dealer, even the oldest stores can close if they cant bend to meet the times. Nor should they be kept open just because of who they are. It is like the whole smoking debate. A smoking ban kills bars. Well it has not been a year yet but not a single bar has closed. Apparently they changed with the times. You go where you want, i do not care. I will go where I need to go to support my family NOW. Future does not mean much if they get there and only have a cardboard box now does it.

But I am done here. This thread was about fluids and not where you get them so I am done pissing about it. I guess it is not kosher here to go against conformity. Your assimilation is almost complete.

[moham]

Anybody want to talk about tires?

[Retro Rocket]

Walmart and the likes are a curse on the planet. They don't give a #$%* about community or the little people, they are only interested in profit at everyone elses  expense. They were going to try and set up in Australia but our government said...NO. USA once the land of opportunity is being devoured by greed and that only ever helps the big guys while everyone else suffers. They prey on the low paid workers of third world countries to make their profit and therefore taking jobs away from the same people the then sell cheap crap too, what a wonderful way to do business... Rob from the poor to give to someone else's poor all to benefit the rich, then if you want the wealth to be shared a little better throughout the community you get labeled "socialist". Believe what you want but the current ways we do business is geared to make the minority rich at the expense of the rest.

Mick

[cafe750]

Well prove then that all those that lost a job due to walmart never found work again. If you can do that, I will believe it then.

As for tt, he is every bit as self centered as anyone here. He just likes to be more arrogant about it. That and he gets pissy when he is wrong about things. his trying to spar with mike on engines showed that.



But I am done here. This thread was about fluids and not where you get them so I am done pissing about it. I guess it is not kosher here to go against conformity. Your assimilation is almost complete.

Maybe eldy, it is you that has been assimilated, being that I buy stuff from the little guy when I can, and refuse to buy from wal-mart . You however, follow the masses that don't give a rats behind...well, maybe its the booze talking right now, because I sure as hell can't be right, at least compared to thou, the master of the K8 thunder.... and just think about the next time that you call someone blinded, or closed minded, because you sure aren't looking at this issue from the other side. Your way is right, and that's the way it is....

[OldSchool_IsCool]

Anybody want to talk about tires?

TIRES??  What, are you trying to start a war??

[gregimotis]

Ahhhh.... I might have to go get that 6 pack and the caramel popcorn afterall!

l8r

So, how's that popcorn, huh?

[lachius]

well not that it should matter to anyone,, but like to throw my 2 cents in also,, he he

i personally don't like wal-mart either,, or any big corporate stores,,(superstore,,cosco,,safe-way,,lob-laws,,zellers,,etc.)
but i just try and avoid shopping at these places as much as possible,,(grow a garden in season,,buy  at mom and pop stores,,hunt my own meat,,) but unfortunately for some things there really is no choice but to shop at these stores sometimes ,due to where i live,,for instance only place to get produce in my area in the winter is at such stores,it pisses me off but they already have to big of a grasp in my area, and have taken over,,lol  closed down all 5 smaller grocers in 8 years,, but really i am not an economic major nor have degree in sociology,, so wtf do i know about whats best for society,so rather then argue about it here, gonna go study #$%*edhondaology instead,,

well i thinked i emptied my pocket change on that one,,,

[lachius]

ever post something,, then right after  hitting enter realize should'a just kept your mouth shut,,a stayed out of it??
 

[shoemanII]

i base my oil selecton on the perceived reliablility of the machine, my ability to make repairs on the bike, and proximate distance to the nearest dealer for help. recent examples;
husky te610e - motul 7100 4t full synthetic, at $12.00/liter
ducati monster and 749 - mobil 1 at $6.00/qt
cb750k, f - any walmart stuff at $12/gallon

on my current older bikes, i cut the oil change interval in half from recommended in the owners manual and clean the oil pan/pump screen yearly. 
bobp

ps:  don't know about the rest of the folks here, but i really, really need to ride to keep my head on straight.  maybe we should ban oil questions until riding season?    

[eldar]

Walmart and the likes are a curse on the planet. They don't give a #$%* about community or the little people, they are only interested in profit at everyone elses  expense. They were going to try and set up in Australia but our government said...NO. USA once the land of opportunity is being devoured by greed and that only ever helps the big guys while everyone else suffers. They prey on the low paid workers of third world countries to make their profit and therefore taking jobs away from the same people the then sell cheap crap too, what a wonderful way to do business... Rob from the poor to give to someone else's poor all to benefit the rich, then if you want the wealth to be shared a little better throughout the community you get labeled "socialist". Believe what you want but the current ways we do business is geared to make the minority rich at the expense of the rest.

Mick

Ever hear of nike? they used sweatshops for a long time. Just an example but I would bet you have stores there too that do exactly the same thing. I guess it is called capitalism. What is funny is many like capitalism even though they do not like what happens! When I worked at a grocery store, it was very low pay for the work done. On top of that, we got treated like the stepchildren of the company.

Cafe, see that is the problem. You turn to drink or you blame it anyways. I shop anywhere. I do not shop at walmart only. I go to lowes, I go to home depot, I go to the local grocery stores if they have good ads. I determine the best location to save money/time or both. You on the other hand, let brand hatred tell you where to go. thats fine, you can, at least I thought you could. We still have the right dont we? Maybe you have different laws telling you where to shop. My laws let me go anywhere anyone sees fit.

What you will find though, no matter how much you hate it, is that with the hard economy and people having less money, they are going to do whatever they can to stretch that cash. In the last couple of years, I have noticed a lot more people going to walmart and that is proven by the fact that while many companies are losing money, walmart did pretty darn good this year and this holiday season. But the economy is like anything else, it swings from one extreme to another constantly. Who knows, in a few years, money might be better for a lot of people and they will go elsewhere besides walmart and they might have to close some stores. You just never know.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I am not saying you are right either. Maybe it is right for you but not others.

Of course, you ARE wrong about your OIL!

[Bob Wessner]

Five pages ago a member asked a technical, bike related question. If socioeconomic and political views to be expressed, shouldn't they be done in another forum?

[cafe750]

Of course, you ARE wrong about your OIL!

Now those are fightin' words....
No hard feelings here Eldar, we're both entitled to our beliefs...that's what makes this land great...
I was out with friends, this thread sure as hell didn't turn me to the booze...

[Duke McDukiedook]

I hear ya Eldar,

If I have kids my goofy ideaology will probably go out the window with the bath water because when you have mouths to feed and only so much money, well, you know. 
But I am pretty sure that unbridaled capitalism is not good for us in the long run 

Oh yeah, plain old DOT3 in the brake.