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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2009, 01:08:02 PM »
Things took a lighter turn. What can ya say ;)

Hope the pennz is ok for ya. I have never used it but like all of us, we hear things from other people and base some things on that alone. I cannot actually say it is bad stuff, that is just what I had been told years ago. Going by that, I have used havoline, valvoline, castrol, and mobil1 and all have done just fine in cars.

Years back I used havoline 10-40 in my bike and it was ok. nothing great but was ok. Rotella seemed to be better. Course I did not send on oil samples but engine was smoother, shifts were better. Wen to rotella Synth and it got even better.

Does that mean everything else stinks? Probably not. In this day, in our bikes, almost everything is probably ok except maybe the oils listed using friction modifiers and hell, some people have no issues with them!

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2009, 06:52:03 AM »
One thing that Nitro didn't mention is that you get too good of a filtering media in an oil filter and it will filter too much and become restricting before changing time, I have heard of this with the fram super guard and the like filters. I usually use wix filters everything I can because they seem to be in the middle.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2009, 09:41:00 AM »
I'll post this and then quit beating the dead horse.  ;D
Some of what I'm writing is off the subject and I apologise for it's length. Let me say right now this isn't an endorsement of one product over another as there are many GOOD ones out there - I've seen the analysis on them, since after all we needed to know what the competition had!  ;)

When I worked for Frontier Lubricants, our primary focus of sales are directed towards Mining and Industrial applications, where the company had worked 30 years developing lubricants to address some specific issues. As such I saw far more analysis results for diesel engines than gasoline or natural gas fueled units, but the results were very similar. Of course the company employees took advantage of the free testing we were offered (thru an independent, certified lab), so our vehicles became rolling test platforms as well.
 
The primary questions about using an extended life motor oil were (1) Compatibility (2) Expense vs. Cost effectiveness  (3) How long between oil & filter changes (4) Engine wear.

(1) The newer CJ-4 (diesel) & SL (gas) oils are backwards compatible with older engines, and are required with modern emission controlled engines.
FYI - For those that don't already know this, modern diesel engines have Catalytic converters, exhaust particulate traps, and EGR valves. The hydrocracking process used to refine low sulphur diesel fuel has compounded the problems of creating additive packages that can balance anti-wear properties, blow-by resultant acid neutralisation, detergent, and end gas emissions.

(2) An oil that costs twice as much but has double the change interval is more cost effective, once down time, labor burdon, and filter expense is factored in.

(3) Change intervals are FAR more affected by the dirt contamination (as introduced thru the intake air filter) than the oil's ability to neutralise the acids created in the combustion process.
A high detergent oil will keep these particles in suspension, where they travel to the filter for trapment. A very fine micron full flow filter will have a short life in these operating conditions, and will bypass once the restriction becomes severe. It is normal to see secondary oil filters in industrial applications and centrifuge separators in marine use.
Due to the high detergent package in Frontier's oil, It was normal to see existing deposits break down and they recommended changing the oil and filter at the normal interval for the first change. Being the anal-retentive guy I am, I change my filter every 5,000 miles on my pickup.
Based on a regular analysis program, many fleets went 40,000 miles between changes. It was normal to see almost 20,000 in automotive applications.

(4) Engine wear with high zinc content motor oils was very predictable if they didn't become contaminated by dirt (silicone) or antifreeze leaks (it attacks the bearings). It was normal to see large engines go over 30,000 hours between rebuilds.

I chose one site at random that can give a good overview of oil systems and how stuff works.
http://www.synlube.com/oilfilters.htm

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2009, 09:50:31 AM »
Did you know the honda rebel does not have an oil filter. Just a screen that may need changing once in a while. The rebel 250 has been like this for some time now. Makes me wonder how important it really is to have a filter when most people change every 1000 miles. I am not saying to not use the filter, just wondering if there is any real benefit unless you get sludge that floats around.

Maybe someone has tried it?

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2009, 10:15:12 AM »
When I would go beat up on my turbo motors, the first thing I would notice was sticky shifting, probably due the heat. It was over 300 degrees as measured in the tank. Fresh oil would make an instant noticable difference, and I used this as my change guide line.
I tried a cheap off-brand oil one Saturday night at the bracket drags, by the 5th run the bike wouldn't shift reliably - even with an air shifter. I dumped it out and borrowed some new Kendal (The old green Brad Penn formulation, NOT the modern stuff) Problem solved. It was worth the expense.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #105 on: February 02, 2009, 12:17:43 PM »
"Our country forum is addicted to oil." (George W. Shoe)
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #106 on: February 02, 2009, 09:20:50 PM »
CB350 twins have no filter, just a centrifugal slinger cup.

My CL 175 had no filter, mabe a slinger cup?, cant remember.

I dont change my oil filter every time, but change oil fairly often, sometimes more than once in 2 weeks.

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2009, 09:25:02 AM »
Did you know the honda rebel does not have an oil filter. Just a screen that may need changing once in a while. The rebel 250 has been like this for some time now. Makes me wonder how important it really is to have a filter when most people change every 1000 miles. I am not saying to not use the filter, just wondering if there is any real benefit unless you get sludge that floats around.

Maybe someone has tried it?

My single seat trainer, spare, axillary, emergency, gota ride today! bike (a '82 CM250C) has no oil filer, just a screen.  This bike is the model between the Twinstar and the Rebel.  I'm guess'n the oil passages are larger then those on the inline fours thus the engineers felt they didn't need to strain the chunks out of the flow.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2009, 09:27:50 AM »
Well then why don't we bring up the reusuable/cleanable oil filter? Its' still an interesting idea but I will stick my wix filters.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2009, 09:28:49 AM »
That may be. Have you ever cleaned that screen? large chunks on it?

I thnk the reusable filter is probably more pain than anything. I for sure would not want to wash out an oil filter in my sink of even my driveway.

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2009, 09:31:15 AM »
nope. no chunks.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #111 on: February 03, 2009, 10:45:17 AM »
That may be. Have you ever cleaned that screen? large chunks on it?

I thnk the reusable filter is probably more pain than anything. I for sure would not want to wash out an oil filter in my sink of even my driveway.

You clean it in a parts washer silly  :P..... then just blow off with air to dry.

They are pretty easy to use. Some have magnets in them to help visualize if there is any major shearing/grinding going on. You would have to cut up a normal filter for that.

Never used one on a street bike, but everything I race gets one.
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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2009, 12:49:32 PM »
Ah yes a parts washer. one more tool to rarely use yet have chemicals around for. Cant say I really see a use for one of those! :) Or maybe it is because I do not have room for one. Still a pain either way compared to just changing one.
I have used washers before and they are ok but.

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« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2009, 01:06:53 PM »
Ah yes a parts washer. one more tool to rarely use yet have chemicals around for. Cant say I really see a use for one of those! :) Or maybe it is because I do not have room for one. Still a pain either way compared to just changing one.
I have used washers before and they are ok but.
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« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2009, 01:18:00 PM »
Ah yes a parts washer. one more tool to rarely use yet have chemicals around for. Cant say I really see a use for one of those! :) Or maybe it is because I do not have room for one. Still a pain either way compared to just changing one.
I have used washers before and they are ok but.

I have an ag heater in mine.... you'd be suprised what 180degree diesel fuel can take off a nasty part.

Washers are probably not for the weekend hobbyist, but they do come in handy for cleaning nasy stuff. Like offroad chains for example. Or wheel hubs. Anything with caked on dirt, grease, and grime.
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« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2009, 02:44:24 PM »
Guess I have always used a wire brush for that sort of thing. Learned from old farmers.

Course I also use gas to clean things too. Also from old farmers! :D

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« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2009, 03:08:04 PM »
Guess I have always used a wire brush for that sort of thing. Learned from old farmers.

Course I also use gas to clean things too. Also from old farmers! :D

This is basically the same thing only heated and in a self contained unit.

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Re: What oils/fluids are you using??
« Reply #117 on: May 03, 2009, 04:26:52 PM »
All,

I have a CB750K5 down in Houston TX... I have read throught the Clymer and posts to select the best oil. Due to the climate in houston I was considering the 20W-50 in place of the 10W-40...
does this sound right to all the experts around  ???

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