Author Topic: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours  (Read 2016 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline NitroHunter

  • Radical Street / Strip Turbo
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 714
  • A man's motorcycle is a reflection of the man
Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« on: January 20, 2009, 02:49:27 PM »
Hey guys, let's have a little fun.   ;D  If you’ve got a story let’s hear it.

 :o  The 240 psi motor.  :o

The year was 1975. I was 18 years old, stationed in San Diego, and the Navy paid me about $75 a week. I owned lots of cheap bikes in a short time; the trick here was to buy one with several months left before the registration expired, ride it’s wheels off, then sell it while still licensed. Presto, no re-registering required. With plenty of ships in port there was no market shortage of neither bike nor buyers. I got pretty good at this and kept trading up in size and value, saving up my money, the goal being to own a Honda 750.
Ultimately, I traded some magic beans and my life savings (OK I made the bean part up, it was some enduro bike) and picked up a SOHC 750 that needed some work. My pals all advised against it, they figured since I didn’t know jack about motors I’d never be able to get it to run. But I was told the head gasket leaked, and how hard could THAT be to fix?
Now this bike wasn’t any old Plain Jane, it had a header, oil cooler, custom black paint, a 16” rear rim, and above all it had an RC 836 kit.
Remember, those were real hot rods for their day.

Having never worked on an engine before was not about to stop me.

I bought a manual and enlisted a car guy to help get this thing apart. That’s when I found a couple of the valves were stuck in the guides.
I got it apart and had the guides reamed and a valve job done at a local motorcycle shop, but then after buying a head gasket from RC Engineering (aluminum I think) I was broke again. I painted the block, and on the advice from my buddies baked it in the motor rewind oven at about 600 degrees for an hour to cure the paint.
Imagine my surprise when I opened the door and found the block sitting at the bottom of the sleeves!
Since I didn’t know squat about this stuff, the old Chief Machinist took pity on me and helped re-seat the sleeves back into my shiny black block. That’s when I discovered they didn’t sit flush.
Even I knew that was bad.
I had no money but did have a mill. And plenty of 'expert' advice, some of it better than other.

Now, 'Pop up' pistons were what the all knowing 20-year-old self-professed hot rodders on my ship were into, and if you didn't talk 12.5:1 you were a sissy. Just ask ‘em, they all had 14:1 small block motored hot rods back home. My piston’s domes weren’t gigantic – really wimpy, actually - and they let me know that to no end.
So I stuck the block on with one piston, and sure enough there looked to be plenty of meat needing to be chopped off the top; with help I’d get those domes sticking out yet.
I’d never seen precision measuring tools before, so one of the guys does it and tells me how much needs to go.

Under the apprehensive Chief’s supervision, we set up and fly cut the block. A LOT. Now the outer portion of the pistons were dead even with the top of the deck with this little dome sticking up. So far, so good.
Of course everybody knows you can’t have power without milling the head, right? So once again it was chip-making time. I have no idea how much came off, but I do remember the cutter almost hitting the valves before we stopped.

Finally it was time for assembly, and I got to see my first torque wrench. That part was easy, but that cam stuff was scary. There were several holes to choose from in the sprocket, that darn thing just didn’t look like the one in the pictures. After much trial and error, I got the marks lined up exactly like the book showed and buttoned it up.

When the big day came to fire it up I had plenty of on lookers. They expected to see fireworks and I wasn’t so sure they wouldn’t. The first push on the starter button promptly killed the battery and someone pronounced that the motor was seized.
Crap.
Out came the spark plugs and I jumped on the trusty kick starter, and much to my relief, with a great whooshing noise it turned over just fine. But when the plugs went back in, it was about all I could do to push that kicker down with my 125 pounds. I finally jumped down HARD and to everyone’s amazement it fired up!
Learning to kick through on a compression stroke was the key.

I later did a compression test and found it had 240 pounds of cranking pressure.

Over time I figured out the pistons were the RC 10:1 castings, and the cam was an RC #240 regrind with adjustable sprocket, a bolt in with no valve pocket machining required. Why nothing hit inside was dumb luck. But it would smoke a 900 Kawasaki around town and pull little mid-range power wheelies. It ran a 12.26 ¼ mile, got 52 mpg, and most important - I had built it myself!
 ;D ;D ;D
Robbie the NitroHunter                      Fuel Coupe Hired Gun                  NHRA T/F 640

DRAGBIKE USA XH/MB Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127179.0;attach=332735
DRAGBIKE USA XH/SS Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63940.0;attach=103300
Young mans glory days in the lanes: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45685.0;attach=66341

KingCustomCycles.com

  • Guest
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »
I don't think I have that kind of time......

Offline Soos

  • Just a butcher with a carbide hatchet, definitely not a
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,324
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 05:23:43 AM »
I don't think I have that kind of time......



:)
How many stories you got???






I have one, but will have to post when I have more time(this weekend?)




l8r
-=≡ Soos ≡=-
Just think to yourself what would Alowishus Devander Abercrombie do?
"Brix will be shat by your neighbors." - schwebel
(61mm)652cc 1979 cb650

Offline 736cc

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,724
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 01:31:42 PM »
True VERY recent story:
 
So I find this early 750 Honda motor for sale in Pennysaver, located upstairs in this dudes apartment in NYC. Owner doesn't have a clue.
 
   I ask him "Wheres the rest of the bike?"
 
   He says, "I took it apart because I couldn't get it up the stairs"
 
   I ask,  "Where's the frame?"
 
   He says, "Its in the dumpster out back. I couldn't get the motor outa the frame yesterday so I ...."
[/URL][/img]
« Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 01:35:54 PM by 736cc »

KingCustomCycles.com

  • Guest
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 01:36:45 PM »
A couple of slugs, a little welding and you are back in business.  I hope that picture was taken when you got it home  ;D ;D

Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,069
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 02:53:48 PM »
Hey guys, let's have a little fun.   ;D  If you’ve got a story let’s hear it.

 :o  The 240 psi motor.  :o

The year was 1975. I was 18 years old, stationed in San Diego, and the Navy paid me about $75 a week. I owned lots of cheap bikes in a short time; the trick here was to buy one with several months left before the registration expired, ride it’s wheels off, then sell it while still licensed. Presto, no re-registering required. With plenty of ships in port there was no market shortage of neither bike nor buyers. I got pretty good at this and kept trading up in size and value, saving up my money, the goal being to own a Honda 750.
Ultimately, I traded some magic beans and my life savings (OK I made the bean part up, it was some enduro bike) and picked up a SOHC 750 that needed some work. My pals all advised against it, they figured since I didn’t know jack about motors I’d never be able to get it to run. But I was told the head gasket leaked, and how hard could THAT be to fix?
Now this bike wasn’t any old Plain Jane, it had a header, oil cooler, custom black paint, a 16” rear rim, and above all it had an RC 836 kit.
Remember, those were real hot rods for their day.

Having never worked on an engine before was not about to stop me.

I bought a manual and enlisted a car guy to help get this thing apart. That’s when I found a couple of the valves were stuck in the guides.
I got it apart and had the guides reamed and a valve job done at a local motorcycle shop, but then after buying a head gasket from RC Engineering (aluminum I think) I was broke again. I painted the block, and on the advice from my buddies baked it in the motor rewind oven at about 600 degrees for an hour to cure the paint.
Imagine my surprise when I opened the door and found the block sitting at the bottom of the sleeves!
Since I didn’t know squat about this stuff, the old Chief Machinist took pity on me and helped re-seat the sleeves back into my shiny black block. That’s when I discovered they didn’t sit flush.
Even I knew that was bad.
I had no money but did have a mill. And plenty of 'expert' advice, some of it better than other.

Now, 'Pop up' pistons were what the all knowing 20-year-old self-professed hot rodders on my ship were into, and if you didn't talk 12.5:1 you were a sissy. Just ask ‘em, they all had 14:1 small block motored hot rods back home. My piston’s domes weren’t gigantic – really wimpy, actually - and they let me know that to no end.
So I stuck the block on with one piston, and sure enough there looked to be plenty of meat needing to be chopped off the top; with help I’d get those domes sticking out yet.
I’d never seen precision measuring tools before, so one of the guys does it and tells me how much needs to go.

Under the apprehensive Chief’s supervision, we set up and fly cut the block. A LOT. Now the outer portion of the pistons were dead even with the top of the deck with this little dome sticking up. So far, so good.
Of course everybody knows you can’t have power without milling the head, right? So once again it was chip-making time. I have no idea how much came off, but I do remember the cutter almost hitting the valves before we stopped.

Finally it was time for assembly, and I got to see my first torque wrench. That part was easy, but that cam stuff was scary. There were several holes to choose from in the sprocket, that darn thing just didn’t look like the one in the pictures. After much trial and error, I got the marks lined up exactly like the book showed and buttoned it up.

When the big day came to fire it up I had plenty of on lookers. They expected to see fireworks and I wasn’t so sure they wouldn’t. The first push on the starter button promptly killed the battery and someone pronounced that the motor was seized.
Crap.
Out came the spark plugs and I jumped on the trusty kick starter, and much to my relief, with a great whooshing noise it turned over just fine. But when the plugs went back in, it was about all I could do to push that kicker down with my 125 pounds. I finally jumped down HARD and to everyone’s amazement it fired up!
Learning to kick through on a compression stroke was the key.

I later did a compression test and found it had 240 pounds of cranking pressure.

Over time I figured out the pistons were the RC 10:1 castings, and the cam was an RC #240 regrind with adjustable sprocket, a bolt in with no valve pocket machining required. Why nothing hit inside was dumb luck. But it would smoke a 900 Kawasaki around town and pull little mid-range power wheelies. It ran a 12.26 ¼ mile, got 52 mpg, and most important - I had built it myself!
 ;D ;D ;D

Hell of a story Robbie but only 12.26  :o :o :o :o perhaps your brakes were binding ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wecome to the forum mate.

Sam. ;)
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline NitroHunter

  • Radical Street / Strip Turbo
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 714
  • A man's motorcycle is a reflection of the man
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2009, 03:46:53 PM »
Most likely it was the loose nut on the handlebars!   ;D
Robbie the NitroHunter                      Fuel Coupe Hired Gun                  NHRA T/F 640

DRAGBIKE USA XH/MB Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127179.0;attach=332735
DRAGBIKE USA XH/SS Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63940.0;attach=103300
Young mans glory days in the lanes: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45685.0;attach=66341

Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,069
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 03:49:15 PM »
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline NitroHunter

  • Radical Street / Strip Turbo
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 714
  • A man's motorcycle is a reflection of the man
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 08:33:59 AM »
736cc-
Can you get these cheaper by the dozen???
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Robbie the NitroHunter                      Fuel Coupe Hired Gun                  NHRA T/F 640

DRAGBIKE USA XH/MB Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127179.0;attach=332735
DRAGBIKE USA XH/SS Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63940.0;attach=103300
Young mans glory days in the lanes: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45685.0;attach=66341

Offline Soos

  • Just a butcher with a carbide hatchet, definitely not a
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,324
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 09:44:38 AM »
Well......


My motor from hell story.



All started with the purchase of the neighbors cb650 for ... get this... $100.00!!
Title and all.
About 95% stock.


Needed new carbs to start with, and right(Left?) controls.



Well I had gotten it running, but a bit more noise than I was accustomed to on other 650's I've heard/owned.
The stocker motor Supposedly had 10k miles on it, so I figured it was a good candidate for hopping it up.
Since I had a head I had recently home ported, I dropped it on the low mile supposedly good motor.


SO I thought I would go ahead and fix her up nice.
New tires, new grips, chain, sprockets, headwork, carbs.
Ran GREAT for a bit. About 200 miles or so.
Then one day when going home, 1/2 block from home the motor just died.

tried re-starting it and heard tackity, tack...
stopped after a second or 2(damage was already done...)

Pushed the bugger home.
Tore into it... the CAM CHAIN HAD SNAPPED!


Trashed 3 valves 2 valve guides, and 2 seats.

Got ticked, bought a motor from a local gyuy about 10 miles away, dropped it in and sold the bike after about another 2 or 300 miles.
Sadly, it's had about 15,000 miles last season racked up on it, and still runs strong.
And I only had 600.00 total into it, should have kept it. But you gotta help friends in need.
Sold it for 700.00.





Now to get to the happy ending.......

In the process of finding the bits I needed and a place to remove, install, and ream out the new guides,  I met an old man who used to port racing motors back in the day.
He took pity on my I guess(or was just wanting to help a young buck out) and after doing the guides, he offered to show me how to do a port job that will REALLY liven the motor up.


Took me to his house and did some porting on the intake and exhaust or 1 cylinder, and hooked it up to his (ancient??) port flow system.

The diff between what he had done and what I had initially done was AMAZING.
He said it was about another 15% more flow.
He told me to go home and try to emulate what he did, gave me a few pointers on where to and where not to touch and sent me on my way.
Told me to come back in a week.


Then he helped me even them out with the aid of his flow bench setup.
After that a valve job(after modifying the valve and seat angles to a full radius) I re-assembled, and FINALLY this winter put it on my bored out '79cb650(652cc's, 61mm pistons).

After doing the valve job, and final re-assembly, I took it back to him to check it with the valves in it, and to compare the flow to a stocker CV cb650 head.
about 5 % gain at 0.050 lift, about 30% flow gain at the highest lift the cam lifted the valves.


Only 1.5 miles of road riding so far, and I AM PLEASED.
I did a LOT of garage riding(warming it up, and daydreaming of riding up in the mountains)
So i'd say this time it will not die.... At least I KNOW this motors cam chain is not rusty as I have rode this motor the past 2 years without problems.
(Rust was the failure cause of the cam chain in the last motor this head was on)

I have noticed my CR must have gone down a bit though.(opened up the chambers to 61mm to match the pistons)
With the stocker head, (compoletely un-modified) the PSI was about 200-205 depending on how warm the motor was.

Now it's riding in the 195 psi range.



Alls well that ends well.
And I learned what a port job should REALLY look like in a 650!




l8r
-=≡ Soos ≡=-
Just think to yourself what would Alowishus Devander Abercrombie do?
"Brix will be shat by your neighbors." - schwebel
(61mm)652cc 1979 cb650

Offline NitroHunter

  • Radical Street / Strip Turbo
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 714
  • A man's motorcycle is a reflection of the man
Re: Motor from Hell stories - Tell us yours
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 11:28:29 AM »
Expensive Confetti

 :o True story.  :o
One of my riding pals had a CB550 that wouldn’t start.
He’d just done a top end job on this thing – valve job, seals, gaskets – and now it just won’t start. The battery had just suddenly died he said, and after a week of jumping on the kick-starter, he calls and asks what do I think. For whatever reason, this guy figures since I’ve rebuilt a grand total of ONE motor, I was the guru of All Things Honda.
Oh brother.
Since he’s had the head off, the first thing I ask is “is the cam in the right place?” and he assures me that it’s just like the book shows. We go over the normal stuff – spark, plugs, gas – nothing sounds wrong.
He asks if I’ll come over and verify that he’s got it put together right, so I tell him to get a new battery put in and I’ll come over to check it out.

This guy’s garage was a real man’s haven with all the important stuff; girlie pin-ups, great tunes, and a full beer fridge. It also had a small exhaust fan, as this guy was what we’d now call ‘420 friendly’, that is he had a liked to smoke a little herb when the wife wasn’t around.

Remember that part.

Of course the first stop was the stocked beer cooler, and as will happen, we get side tracked by darts and plenty more beers.
We finally get around to the bike. We look in the book at the cam marks, and sure enough, it’s right on the money. There’s spark, but you can really smell gas when it cranks, so I tell him it must just be flooded.
“Well, I can fix that” he says, grabbing the can of starting fluid he used on the lawn mower.
It seemed like a good plan at the time - why argue with success?
The seat is up so he starts spraying down in the air box and all over that paper element air filter. A LOT. He smiles and says, “I want this thing to FIRE!”
Then he hits the starter button.

KABOOM!
It was like something you’d see happen to Wile E. Coyote in the cartoons. There was one hell of a blast, and the air is filled with smoke, confetti, and - WTF? - tiny green flakes?

He’d initially installed the cam incorrectly, and then retimed it after a week of jumping on the kick-starter with no success. I would guess the bent valves had something to do with that, later he tells me it’d only been off by a couple teeth.
 
And it seems he’d laid his weed in the air box (!) while working, and when the wife had unexpectedly come out to the garage, he covered it over by slapping in the filter.
Then he forgot where he’d stashed his stash...
Robbie the NitroHunter                      Fuel Coupe Hired Gun                  NHRA T/F 640

DRAGBIKE USA XH/MB Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127179.0;attach=332735
DRAGBIKE USA XH/SS Recordholder: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63940.0;attach=103300
Young mans glory days in the lanes: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45685.0;attach=66341