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RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« on: February 05, 2009, 07:27:04 PM »
I'd like to hear what it is about racing/riding that does it for you. Imagine explaining to a non-gear head what first attracted you to racing besides money (there is none) and the admiration (yeah right) of the opposite sex? Are the reasons you're in it the same as when you started? Riders, if you found some other activity that gave you the same enjoyment as riding would you give up motorcycles? Finally, why has this interest consumed so much of your life?

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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 07:53:45 PM »
smile factor comes first, if I jump on a 50cc bike I grin, cars don't give me that.
as for racing, most people are going in the same direction so you don't have to worry about that. then it becomes a personal exercise to be as smooth as possible around the track, so wether you are on the fastest bike or the slowest you can still go for the same goal. but I do refuse to come last.   ;D
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 08:27:00 PM »
easy answer     


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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 08:37:51 PM »
I got into it 'cause my dad bought it for me and I thought it was kewl.  I have always been kind of a loaner so this was perfect for me.  I could just be by myself and listen to music loud in my helmet.  I could be my own master, lol.  Loved to race as a teen.

Got older, still enjoyed the just myself thing but I slowed down and still enjoyed it.

I dig chiqs on bikes!  Sooooo sexy!  I will never forget the white and red striped Yamaha RD400 Daytona Special I pulled up next to on Warner and Beach Blvd in Huntington Beach, California when I was almost 16.  She had a full face helmet on but had blonde hair that came out the back of the helmet about 5 inches and what I saw of her face was nice.  I was on my XS Eleven.  If I were on my 400 Four, I would have tried to race her to get to know her.  Dad traded in the 400 Four for the XS Eleven.

I have not found anything to take this passion away, even the opposite sex.  I do like the opposite sex.
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 09:13:03 PM »
fortune.... nope. fame..... nope. admiration... hmmm. maybe. somebody must like me - they bought pictures. ;D

There's something about the smell of burning race gas...... something mysterious and addictive.

There's the art and science involved in taking a p.o.s. like this.....

and applying every tool in the shop until it is more like...


There's something really cool about getting past the traffic and crossing the finish line first.
(crazy basterd that track aint wide enough for that sh!t)

The track is way out in the sticks and we get a cool sunset just about every time....



Season opener is May 2 ...... must get busy....

adrenaline.... yeehaw!!!





I've seen the video of guys racing bikes..... those folks are just f@#%ing nuts. no way am I getting on the track without some serious protection. ;)
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 03:20:13 AM »
pitting your skill agains't another
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 07:15:45 AM »
don't race, but for me, it started 'cause I had a good chance for getting a running bike going for under 300.(1 titled, 1 donor, and a few parts)

Since then...

I have simply fell in love with the simplicity of the motor.(the looks are a bonus as well)
I'm no engineer, but I can work everything on my bike.(but not my '01 plymouth neon)
Being able to use AND and show pride in my work is all worth it.



Would I drop the SOHC "addiction"... erh, I mean hobby?
Not completely.


For me motorcycles took the spotlight over bicycles in the last 4-5 years.
But i'm working on custom bikes still. Just not as much, or as fast





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And as Scunny said, even a 50cc pit bike will give grins, only had that feeling in a FEW cars.
ANY bike I ride is fun. I think it's the amount of control needed, or the freedom...

Anyways there is nothing more beautiful than a sunrise/sunset viewed from the top of a mountain after a wild canyon ride.


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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 08:05:09 AM »
Racing - To get it out of my system was my initial drive, you look over the fence and think, I could do that, then could I do that? It is probably an inborn thing then to keep you going, I lacked the real talent and more importantly the money, back then, early 70's money bought horsepower. It was fun while it lasted though.
Riding - Back in the 60's, my younger days, cars were too expensive, at 16 you could ride a motorbike. I enjoyed the freedom they gave you. On a bike I felt total freedom cocooned in my helmet, a bike is a more physical thing, to get the most from it you move about to get the best from it, not sit back in relative comfort not needing to move much. Today reborn to biking I'm probably re-living my youth on a bike I longed for but couldn't afford, in 1977 I was married with a family.
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 09:49:56 AM »
My family wasn't into motorsports at all, we just had cars to get from point A to B.  I loved cars and bikes, but racing or even owning one just wasn't in the cards financially.  I bought a motorcycle later in life and soon discovered I liked going fast.  I still didn't have time or money to dedicate to racing, so on weekends the street was a big playground. 

Lots of speeding tickets and close calls later (plus a wife and kids) and I decided to knock it off.  I feel lucky to have made it this far.  Now I can barely ride in traffic because of all the potential hazards in a typical commute.  It made my head hurt constantly thinking of what could go wrong and I was about ready to hang it up for a while.  I admire those of you who ride your bikes out of necessity every day.  No way I could do it.

Then I signed up for an open track day.  Not racing, but you're given some guidelines to follow (no close passing, etc.) and turned loose on a race track.  I'd never been able to completely focus on riding without all the distractions of the street before, and it was like the fog lifted.  Now I can push my comfort level and work on improving my riding skills.  I feel like my risk is minimized with full roadracing leathers and an ambulance standing by.  Plus everybody's going in the same direction and there is run-off room if you overcook a corner.  It's a nice challenge to improve personal lap times, and you also get to mix it up with other riders a bit.

I guess everybody has to find their own way to enjoy the sport. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 11:15:20 AM »
i've tried explaining it many times to my wife. i told her "a dog riding in the car with his head out the window understands"

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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 11:21:07 AM »
i've tried explaining it many times to my wife. i told her "a dog riding in the car with his head out the window understands"


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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 11:21:46 AM »
ill reply to this when ive ridden a bike...shortly!
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 11:27:56 AM »
i've tried explaining it many times to my wife. i told her "a dog riding in the car with his head out the window understands"

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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 12:34:00 PM »
Leave it to one of the Bill(s) to ask this question......  ;D

Racing-

Started for me when I was 4 years old. I happened upon a stack of old photos of some guy with a bicycle. Little did I know that was my great-grandfather on an Indian/Harley/Henderson cross breed. Until I was 10 I heard the stories of "circle racing" with other "cyclists" (they called themselves that). Then he put me on a bicycle with a small chainsaw engine. I had never even ridden a bike before much less one with a motor.

Things went downhill from there. The engines kept getting bigger. And I kept looking smaller sitting on (and sometimes in) those motorized contraptions. I finally graduated into a real motorcycle when I turned 14. Oddly enough it was a 75 CB550. Not sure of the model, but 4 generations helped build it. My Great-grandfather, Grandfather, Father, and I.

I was too young at the time to actually race it, they changed the rules long before I was born, but we used to get friends together in their cars and I would race them down our street.

When my Great-grandfather died at the age of 105, I turned 18. He left me enough money to put to the track a true drag bike. My 2005 Ducati 999R was purchased brand new by his estate. With a little left over for modification, that bike became a full blown professional drag. Twin turbos and all!!   :o

Riding-

I never really rode on the street until I turned 20. Growing up on a farm I always drove a truck, to run errands, go to and from work, and even to haul animals. I never really had time to ride just for fun. It was always racing or farming. When I met my fiancee, now my ex-fiancee, I finally started to ride for fun. I love riding so much that I try to ride everyday of the year, having done so for two years in a row now.

In 1999 my father and I started a side businees that has since grown into a full blown full-time job. I love motorcycles and anything that has to do with them. Everyone has a talent somewhere, even if I don't agree. My bikes and my shop www.Mavrik-Powersports.com are an extension of my love for this industry and way of life.

Where else can you get guys and gals from across the globe and from so many different walks of life in the same room???


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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 12:58:05 PM »

 It's an amazing combination between flying and waterskiing. I get to use my whole body to steer. I can become one with the machine, so to speak. Every little physical change creates a new orientation of me and the bike. I'll bet that's what birds feel when they are soaring...

Cars these days increasingly seem designed to distance you from the driving experience. You can hardly hear the engine or feel the road, MOST cars in the US nowadays don't even come with a manual gearbox! The difference between my first car ('69 MGB) and our current family car ('05 Camry) is night and day in this regard.

Riding, especially vintage iron, brings me back in touch with the mechanics of it all. It really is more about the act of operating the machine than actually getting somewhere. It's like the T-shirt says, a destination is just an excuse to ride.

Plus, chicks dig motorcycles.  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2009, 01:05:42 PM »
COMPETITION

i'm not a fire/dragon/aries for nothin'.   ;)

but really, its the speed... raw power.  i can be doing 88mph on the cb350f or 138 on the 7r.  its the rush of the ride.  give me someone to pass and i'll do my best.

i know this is "old hat" to some of you, but this was my first track day... just this past year... fast forward to 6 minutes (if you're not a racer  :P) and you'll see the exhilaration of my first trackday pass... not one, but two, almost three  ;D.

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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 09:39:50 PM »
hey...heff's back.  We need to stage a 400F grudge match somewhere this season.  Like Rossi and Bayliss, but without all the talent.

That video gets me fired up.  I just paid up for a track day on the 14th (I know it's Valentine's day, but she understands).  There's a Suzuki motard coming out that I'll probably end up dicing with most of the time. 

I've also got the FZR ready for track days later in the year.  I'll start out on the 400 to get my bearings first, then later this summer I'll let it rest to hopefully save the motor.  Bigger tracks and hotter temps = 1000cc's and water cooling.  Need to remember not to just whack the throttle wide open on that one.

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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2009, 03:29:13 AM »
nice riding Heffay,

I'm sure you had a blast... ;D

what type of camera were you using ? - and the sound quality is pretty good too...

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2009, 04:29:40 AM »
i've tried explaining it many times to my wife. i told her "a dog riding in the car with his head out the window understands"

 well said fuzzy, well said
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2009, 08:53:04 AM »
thanks guys...

750goes, its a canon a590is.  i wanted the best point and shoot there was (so i could use my homemade helmet mount  :) ) and the reviews said this was it.  my only complaint is time between shots when using the flash on regular camera setting.  the sound was sooooo much better w/out the swhswhswhswh sound.  that is a product of my roxio video production program.  i'm not sure why, it didn't do that to my movies initially but sure is now.

i use roxio creator suite 10 and power director 5
cheap production programs like these crash a lot... you've got to do a lot of research about each one and why it crashed.
w/ the power director, for instance, it wasn't until after i learned that you can only use one of their special tools per edit that it stopped crashing incessantly.
power director 5 is the only affordable program i've found w/ the ability to take the shake out of your footage.  for this reason, even w/ all the crashing, i'd buy it again.  i'm still deciding about roxio.

p.s... this video in particular has no de-shake editing done to it... shake wasn't removed because in doing so, you lose some of your outer edges... with the camera looking so far down because i'm in a race tuck, it was cutting out too much.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2009, 09:52:10 AM »
I remember in 1969, reading a prominent psychiatrist's analysis of "the motorcycle gang member" to my then 'brothers' in the Club. We all looked at each ofter with "what the...." looks, then went out and rode across Illinois anyway...

In the beginning, it was fun, faster than the bicycle, and cheap, and didn't require a driver's license, on the Missouri farm. The bikes were 100cc and smaller, but fine for us kids (all 3 brothers on a 106cc Puch sometimes, that was the big bike). The neighbor farm had a Honda Trail 90, and we just wore those bikes out from miles. After that, it was just part of all of us, I guess.

I traded my High School 1963 4-door Galaxie for a 1968 Superhawk 305 twin when I went to college, because the school did not allow Freshmen or Sophomores to have cars (strange by today's rules, but very common then). I hid the bike in a rented garage, needed it for "throttle therapy" on the weekends to get away from the studying and drunken students (I never liked drinking, much). By fixing other's bikes, I ended up in the local shops on an after-school basis, which got me involved in some of the biker's groups there. Following MLK's and RFK's assassination, 1968 was such an ugly year, with violence everywhere, fires on campus, street fighting in Peoria and Chicago and Springfield...bikes became a way out of it.

Then the 750 came out.

When I finally got my first one during Spring Break in 1970 in Chicago, ny middle brother came all the way from Kansas City were he was in school, just to see it. The whole neighborhood in Chicago was crowded around my parent's garage, it seemed, after they saw me ride it home on a rare warm spring day that weekend. Everyone wanted to see it, touch it, and wonder... Later, my brother wanted to ride it, and we found he could not reach the ground, as his inseam is only 28.5 inches. At the time, Honda would not let them be sold to you unless you had a 30 inch inseam, and mine was 32+" (they actually measured me and wrote it in a sales document from Honda!). He was real mad (don't blame him), and afraid to ride and possibly drop my new bike. I remember him packing up that night and leaving early the next day to go back to school, pretty depressed. He still had the old Puch. (He got a little better when the 500 came out, and bought the first one the Kansas City shop received).

The Production Racing scene was great with that monster K1, too. Every track wanted you to come and race one, because the bike itself drew spectators where the dominant bikes had been the British Twins and Harleys. This changed everything there. It became hard to not get a big head over it, until I realized that it  was really the bike, not me, that got all the attention. Girls were completely oblivious to it, other than it was prettier than other bikes of the time. I decided I would master this particular bike, above all others, because it was so unique. The rest is history...

I did learn one important thing along the way, though: the way to make a small fortune in Racing is simple: start with a big one.  ;)
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Re: RACERS/RIDERS... let me pick your brain
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2009, 10:15:26 AM »
Thanks HondaMan.

"I did learn one important thing along the way, though: the way to make a small fortune in Racing is simple: start with a big one."

I was so temped to put that in but glad you did.  ;D

Suppose I'm guilty of trying to psychoanalyze this whole thing. And I know folks get into this for any number of reasons. But the reason I ask is that I am genuinely curious about what it is about machines in general people become so attached. Also, why the racing? I love these things too but I have a very hard time trying to put it into words and "if I have to explain you wouldn't understand" seems like a cop out to me. 
I was into cars from my time in diapers, my first word was car, nobody in my entire family is a gear head and I don't have older brothers. So, where did this thing come from and why am I completely consumed, along with art, by this thing?

Thought maybe hearing any stories from others may help piece it together or give a better understanding.

Whatever the outcome I love reading these stories, keep 'em coming!
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