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Offline Jeff.Saunders

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PAYPAL problems
« on: February 15, 2009, 08:32:20 AM »
PAYPAL is becoming a big problem for us these days.  They seem to have far too many issues.  I'm curious who else has encountered issues with them.

Last week we were VERY close to removing PAYPAL as a payment option on the Z1 Enterprises web site (and may still do this).

They froze funds in our account and refuse to give us any information on why.  All they will say is it's not a problem with us - well excuse me, freezing our funds becomes our problem.  Their customer service is nearly non-existent.  Staffed by poorly trained people without any authority to do anything.  To them, sending out a computer generated email constitutes customer service - even though there's a strong likelyhood of an anti-spam filter snagging their emails.

You can see the ebay influence on paypal - the "don't give a sh*t" mentality is getting worse.


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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2009, 08:41:57 AM »
I do not like them, the exclusive arrangement with eBay is collusion, kind of like every other thing in USA financial companies.  If they spent as much time improving their service as they do trying to eliminate competition we would all be better served.











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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 08:57:20 AM »
I think the glory days are over.
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 09:04:22 AM »
I think the glory days are over.

+1  Their service has declined dramatically.  Probably outsourced to India.
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 09:14:03 AM »
I do not like them, the exclusive arrangement with eBay is collusion, kind of like every other thing in USA financial companies.  If they spent as much time improving their service as they do trying to eliminate competition we would all be better served.

They are not a bank, nor are they covered under the usual government banking regulations - and that's a big part of the problem.  If they were a bank, they would have to provide customers with much stricter controls over the money.  They do use a bank in the background for clearing bank check and cc transactions (as only banks can do this).

With that thought in mind, they are not covered by FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance) either - so although you can stash money in a paypal account, but it's not Federally protected (although given the state of the banks and the government, I'm not sure how much that's worth these days...).

I too dislike ebay's attempts to force paypal as the only payment option - I'm surprised visa and mastercard haven't taken them to court on this - I suspect they will...

In concept, paypal provides some useful capabilities, but the lack of customer service and these other failings make them a pain to deal with when things go wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 09:34:56 AM »
I do not like them, the exclusive arrangement with eBay is collusion, kind of like every other thing in USA financial companies.  If they spent as much time improving their service as they do trying to eliminate competition we would all be better served.

They are not a bank, nor are they covered under the usual government banking regulations - and that's a big part of the problem.  If they were a bank, they would have to provide customers with much stricter controls over the money.  They do use a bank in the background for clearing bank check and cc transactions (as only banks can do this).



Who mentioned a "bank"...

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 09:47:40 AM »
"I too dislike ebay's attempts to force paypal as the only payment option - I'm surprised visa and mastercard haven't taken them to court on this - I suspect they will..."


Mastercard and visa still get their 3% I think they are all in bed together

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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 09:53:25 AM »
Jeff, I had a problem with PayPal. All a person need do is dispute a charge with their CC company and PayPal backs away. The Credit Card companies love PayPal since it generates revenue for them.
If your business has matured to a point where you can take Credit Cards, I would drop PayPal. PayPal was made for me when I was ebay trading, it was a way to take payments for those who were trying to make a few bucks under the radar.
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 09:55:25 AM »

      Seems like they re kinda like the USPS, they are just getting worse and worse all the time. I've used Paypal a number of times and the process of clearing the payment seems like it is getting slower and slower. That's been MY main problem with them lately. Of course I probably don't use it near as much as some do. Quite a while back (in the beginning, I accidentally paid a seller twice. All I did was contact the seller, explain what had happened and he took care of it. Too bad others have had bad experiences and that things aren't as good as they seemed to be at 1st. :(
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 10:57:30 AM »
Paypal's handy but I suggest a real merchant account (which you guys obviously must have) and payment gateway whenever anyone asks mostly for the reasons cited above. PP Pro is roughly the same discount rate/fees. Why not Authorize.net or a gateway of your choice? Can't tell if your cart is hand-rolled or off the shelf... Looking at the source I guess I can.

They do support Authorize and I'd vouch for it as I use it myself. You do enough business you might even be able to negotiate a better discount.

I guess the real question is what advantages does PayPal get you over other solutions given the stated disadvantages?

Edit: I've bought from you guys but can't for the life of me remember the payment options in your checkout. If you already run another gateway just drop PayPal. I don't think anyone with a credit card will notice.
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2009, 11:41:22 AM »
Jeff,

You already accept credit/debit cards for payment on your website, so I say drop Paypal.  Unless there's a really good reason that I can't think of right now, I don't see why you would need to offer it as a payment option.  Anybody who has a Paypal account also has either a checking account or a credit card, so they can just pay with either of those. 

I never even noticed you offered Paypal as an option.  I have an account with them, but I've always just used my debit card when placing orders on your site. 

Keep up the good work!  I've recommended Z1 to several guys at work who have old bikes and they've all told me how surprised they were that they got the parts so quickly. 

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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2009, 04:51:34 PM »
Jeff,

You already accept credit/debit cards for payment on your website, so I say drop Paypal.  Unless there's a really good reason that I can't think of right now, I don't see why you would need to offer it as a payment option.  Anybody who has a Paypal account also has either a checking account or a credit card, so they can just pay with either of those. 

I never even noticed you offered Paypal as an option.  I have an account with them, but I've always just used my debit card when placing orders on your site. 

Keep up the good work!  I've recommended Z1 to several guys at work who have old bikes and they've all told me how surprised they were that they got the parts so quickly. 
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 04:54:22 PM »


+1 on the good work Jeff,i also recommended your site to my friends!
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Re: PAYPAL problems
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2009, 06:52:06 PM »
There watching you Jeff.  8)

I just went to you site and bought a few things and right after I got done I got a call from paypal confirming recent Paypal activity on my paypal debit card.

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