Topic: what paint did you put on your frame?

[mutt]

in fact, i think Flo wants me to do a rattlecan paint job on her frame & engine. This thread got me thinkin Ill use Rusto."hardhat" & rusto primer, prep with simple green......I was gonna use laquer, coz it dries so quick, but it scratches too easy.....

[bradweingartner]

You can paint rustoleum with a brush too with positive results.

I HATE HATE HATE rattle cans. I'll run Rustoleum through a gun cut with mineral spirits or acetone. But I have painted a number of things with Rustoleum with a brush and it dries slow, thick and self levels nicely. And it's CHEAP CHEAP, easily repaired, and tough.

You don't even need primer. But if there IS primer, make sure it's not a water-based because the oil-based rustoleum will make a mess of it fast. Never oil based over water based anything unless you like the crackled look...

[222CT]

you have painted bike frames with a brush?? 

i ask cause i got a quart can of navy blue rust oleum. 

i do have a cheapo spray gun too i have never used. 

so it needs thinned to go thru a gun?

[mikeb4]

I have used the POR15 black hardnose paint with great results .... very hard finish and can be painted with a brush (cleaner when in a garage/basement).  Since it dries really slow it flows out nice smooth and shiny.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Holy Moly I think you have answered my dilemma!  I'm amazed that you can brush it on and it flows out nicely!  That pic, is that of a brushed on paint?

Being able to brush it on would significantly please the missus and my little ones who don't like the smell of my rattlecanning in the basement "paint booth"  I have a plastic room setup with a basement window fan, but it isn't drawing enough to prevent the smell from trickling up through the hardwood floors.

Please post more info.

Yes, my CR750 and my avatar Cafe' were brushed Hardnose paint.  I'm not sure the smell will be an improvement because it's a strong industrial stinky paint and it takes a couple days to dry to the touch, that's one reason it flows out so well after being brushed on. I like the hard,glossy and durable finish but especially being able to use a brush .... you have to be careful not to go over the same area several times without more paint on the brush.  Here is a link to the paint online ... http://www.por15.com/HARDNOSE-PAINT/productinfo/HNGB/   you can shop around for it and I know it's on ebay ususally as well.

I will say I have gone to powdercoating now for superior results but this hardnose is my second choice.

[mikeb4]

Close up pic of the Cafe' bike ...

[BobbyR]

I have used the POR15 black hardnose paint with great results .... very hard finish and can be painted with a brush (cleaner when in a garage/basement).  Since it dries really slow it flows out nice smooth and shiny.

Mike, did you paint the motor and if so, what did you use? Absolutely beautiful.

[547]

I have used the POR15 black hardnose paint with great results .... very hard finish and can be painted with a brush (cleaner when in a garage/basement).  Since it dries really slow it flows out nice smooth and shiny.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Holy Moly I think you have answered my dilemma!  I'm amazed that you can brush it on and it flows out nicely!  That pic, is that of a brushed on paint?

Being able to brush it on would significantly please the missus and my little ones who don't like the smell of my rattlecanning in the basement "paint booth"  I have a plastic room setup with a basement window fan, but it isn't drawing enough to prevent the smell from trickling up through the hardwood floors.

Please post more info.

that is a problem for me as well. hardwood floors and a vent that travels directly to the second floor.
i just used dupli color self etching primer in my basement and we all had to leave the house for most of the day with all the windows open. i am in Michigan and it is a little cold here. not good.

[547]

I have used the POR15 black hardnose paint with great results .... very hard finish and can be painted with a brush (cleaner when in a garage/basement).  Since it dries really slow it flows out nice smooth and shiny.

what kind of primer is under there or doesn't it matter. that is a nice looking paint job. how long had it been on when you took that photo?

[jason teamshralp]

wow, that por 15 looks great. now i'm more confused on what way to go?

[cb350twin]

I have used the POR15 black hardnose paint with great results .... very hard finish and can be painted with a brush (cleaner when in a garage/basement).  Since it dries really slow it flows out nice smooth and shiny.

1+ I have done my frame with POR15 and love the results. You don't need any primer you can paint it straight on rust or any surface that is ruffed up a bit. it is UV sensitive to light so u need to use another coat of stuff that isn't UV sensitive

[Alan F.]

I work in the basement too, and paint fumes and smoke from brazing are a concern.   I hacked into the dryer duct, attached a valve and extended the duct into my work area with currigated ductwork.  I attached a 6" 120VAC fan to the end, to suck up any vapor or fumes.  Works great and exits out the back of the house away from any bedrooms.  Here's a pic of the type of duct I used, you can get it at any home center.

[UnCrash]

I work in the basement too, and paint fumes and smoke from brazing are a concern.   I hacked into the dryer duct, attached a valve and extended the duct into my work area with currigated ductwork.  I attached a 6" 120VAC fan to the end, to suck up any vapor or fumes.  Works great and exits out the back of the house away from any bedrooms.  Here's a pic of the type of duct I used, you can get it at any home center.[/quote  How many CFM for your fan?  I have a window fan but it isn't doin dookey.

[jason teamshralp]

Anyone know if the POR 15 would adhere to chrome? I'm looking at their high temp exhaust paint.
http://www.por15.com/BLACK-VELVET/productinfo/BVG/

[mutt]

ive tried all sorts of exhaust paint, it all needs regular repainting. I just live with it.  When I rebuilt The Girls FXR, I had a lot of bits & the frame powdercoated. And her old beat up chrome thunderheaders sprayed with a ceramic coating at the same place did the powdercoating. THAT was outstanding! 4 years and 30K miles later they are silky black, really nice. $y, tho......

[cb350twin]

Anyone know if the POR 15 would adhere to chrome? I'm looking at their high temp exhaust paint.
http://www.por15.com/BLACK-VELVET/productinfo/BVG/

We did the inside of the front fender of the CB350 just had sand paper it a bit. Not sure if the inside of the fender is chrome though?

[mikeb4]

Mike, did you paint the motor and if so, what did you use? Absolutely beautiful.
[/quote]

Thanks - yes, it's just a rattle can VHT SP-127 code I think if I remember correctly.  It's considered a 500 degree aluminum engine paint and called universal aluminum.  It's kind of a satin silver aluminum look.  Real easy to work with and simple touch ups ....

[mikeb4]

what kind of primer is under there or doesn't it matter. that is a nice looking paint job. how long had it been on when you took that photo?
[/quote]

I just used a brass wire fine wheel to prep the surface, did a brake cleaner wash down and painted right on the engine.  Satin finish is more forgiving of surface reflections and seems to hold up real well and gas/oil resistant.

[helgiman]

Eastwood Chasis Black Extreme Gloss. Hands down, powdercoated look, thick and chip resistant. Yes it's stinky, but great results.
Ed

[Pirate]

To add to the POR-15 discussion, I've used it for a bunch of projects and have never been disappointed with the results.
You can put it on right over rust - the best way to prep the surface is to:

• 1) wirebrush the flaky bits off, but leave the 'pittier' stuff behind, because POR-15 needs something to grab on to
• 2) wipe with a solvent to remove dirt/grease/oil etc.
• 3) paint it on.  I've found that 'dabbing' it on with those foam applicator brushes is the best way.  No runs, and it flattens itself out so that there are no marks/texture.  It takes 2 coats, but you get a great covering out of it.

However, the 'Regular' POR-15 (http://www.por15.com/POR-15/productinfo/1GB/) is UV sensitive, and so it will break down and chip/wear off faster.  You can topcoat it, but you'll need to use their special tie-coat primer (http://www.por15.com/TIE-COAT-PRIMER/productinfo/TCG/) between the POR-15 bottom layer and your top coat.  A benefit of this is that the primer is a weird blue-gray colour, so you can see where you've missed putting on your top coat.

If you want a one-step process, you can use BlackCote (http://www.por15.com/BLACKCOTE/productinfo/BCG/) for a gloss finish, or Chassis Coat Black (http://www.por15.com/CHASSIS-COAT-BLACK/productinfo/CHG/) for a satin finish.

I haven't had any experience with the hardnose paints mentioned by others in this thread, but the website says they're for primed or painted surfaces.  I like the other coatings because they can go straight on to bare metal, and one of the ways POR-15 stops rust is that it doesn't dry like other paints.  Your usual spray bomb stuff dries by having the solvent evaporate out of it, which leaves tons of microscopic holes for air & water, which means that any rust you didn't catch could continue, and eventually your paint will flake off.  POR-15 dries some other way (let's call it voodoo magic), and forms a uniform, impermeable surface.  However, it seems the hardnose stuff does this as well, and so moisture/air still can't get in.

  Wow, this was WAY longer than I intended, but I hope it's helpful!  Oh, all that, and I almost forgot pics of it on my Yamaha TW-200's frame.

[Alan F.]

Uncrash

How many CFM for your fan?  I have a window fan but it isn't doin dookey.

Not quite sure, but it's not that much. I just used a cooling fan from a machine that was being scrapped at work.  a window fan might work better if you openned another window across the room to get some air moving... I just wanted an exhaust vent.

Mikeb4

Thanks - yes, it's just a rattle can VHT SP-127 code I think if I remember correctly.  It's considered a 500 degree aluminum engine paint and called universal aluminum.  It's kind of a satin silver aluminum look.  Real easy to work with and simple touch ups ....

Yup, that's the code alright.  After reading a few posts on other forums about it, and a few members here mentioning it (but nobody had sprayed it on yet, then) I picked up a can for my engine.  I haven't sprayed it yet either though. 
How's it holding up?  Color is still good after a few miles?  How's the fuel resistance?

[78CB750CAFE]

DupliColor rattle can generic black, but I should have used their engine paint and wheel clear coat like I used on every other part of the bike, it is a good bit tougher and more chemical resistant.

[hapakev]

Uncrash-

are you opening another window?  If you run a fan exhausting air out, with only that window open, it will create a negative pressure and basically render the fan useless.  Fans dont work well within a negative pressure situation, ie. no air supply accross the vanes, since fan blades themselves work by creating a negative pressure under part of the blade and positive on the other side to move the air.  You need to open another window to supply air to the fan, also this will create an air change replacing the old "stinky" air. 

[UnCrash]

Uncrash-

are you opening another window?  If you run a fan exhausting air out, with only that window open, it will create a negative pressure and basically render the fan useless.  Fans dont work well within a negative pressure situation, ie. no air supply accross the vanes, since fan blades themselves work by creating a negative pressure under part of the blade and positive on the other side to move the air.  You need to open another window to supply air to the fan, also this will create an air change replacing the old "stinky" air.

That does seem to be a problem.  It makes sense, and I'll add a positive side to the ventilation.

[CU2151]

So when you're powder coating your frame, do you remove the vin badge?  Is that just easily riveted back on?

[Don R]

I like dupont imron pitch black enamel. I have used it on several race car frames. The secret to a beautiful job is carefully spray from all angles. Round tube is hard to cover all around. Use some quartz lights so you can see. When done I put some reducer in the gun with the small amount of remaining paint and wet the whole frame with reducer, this will melt in the overspray from all the different angles. I have had people ask if it is powder coat.