Author Topic: My project thus far. "Elsa" (Read 84496 times)

Inkscars · « **Reply #75 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:01:38 AM »

Quote from: DarkRider on March 06, 2009, 04:47:30 PM

Isnt that last one Mr breezes bike? lol thought i seen one of those pics as his avatar. Bike is looking good Inkscars

Thanks. Too bad the little sh1ts acting up. ugh. Well, I won't be riding this weekend.

mystic_1 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:34:28 AM »

What's it doing?

mystic_1

Inkscars · « **Reply #77 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:38:44 AM »

Quote from: mystic_1 on March 07, 2009, 06:34:28 AM

What's it doing?

mystic_1

Dumping gas out the tubes coming off the carbs. *sigh* gotta pull the carbs back off and adjust the floats i guess.

mystic_1 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:58:04 AM »

You tried rapping them lightly with a screwdriver or hammer handle? Sometimes on the initial fill, the floats hang up a bit until they settle.

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Really? · « **Reply #79 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:59:11 AM »

When it is not running and parked, turn the fuel petcock to off. I have to move it up a tad from off for it not to do that.

Inkscars · « **Reply #80 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:02:23 AM »

Quote from: mystic_1 on March 07, 2009, 06:58:04 AM

You tried rapping them lightly with a screwdriver or hammer handle? Sometimes on the initial fill, the floats hang up a bit until they settle.

mystic_1

Yes sir. I tried tapping them. It's even dumping gas while trying to start it or running. It fired up and then about 20 seconds later, starts pouring out.

mystic_1 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:16:21 AM »

I feel your pain. You could theoretically use a stubby screwdriver to pull the bowls off without unshipping the carb rack, that saves time in one way but you have to be able to work upside down, and having three hands that are 50% normal size helps.

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mystic_1 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:39:20 AM »

Just cheap imitation imports. They are the right size, and the price is right, but they lack quality and durability.

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Inkscars · « **Reply #83 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:41:36 AM »

Probably not even 6 years old and from outside of the country. Maybe it doubles as a dishwasher and cleaning fairy in the garage

goon 1492 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:45:27 AM »

Nice read Inkscars, I've gott say to that I now feel kinda like a sissy for not tearing into my front forks yet, but you have given me insperation to do it, actually my forks don't need help yet. Lookin' forward to seeing it when your done, I can have my wife read this thread and help give her insperation to get another old bike for her.

Inkscars · « **Reply #85 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:48:50 AM »

Yaaay! I'm inspirational, and stuff. Get her a bike and tell her to get to work while you ride around on your scooter without her.
That's what happens to me. lmao

Frankenkit · « **Reply #86 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:49:17 AM »

I second the ol' "floats are stuck" thing but honestly, it's either float height or that the needles just aren't sealing right. Old rubber can do that. They're cheap at Z1 enterprises.

DollarBill · « **Reply #87 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:57:51 AM »

Orrrrr...something I did the first time I rebuilt carbs... I put the float needles in upside down and gas came pumping out like yours... Just something else to consider.

Tim in Ohio · « **Reply #88 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:59:12 AM »

Quote from: Ecosse on March 06, 2009, 12:08:07 PM

Zebra hide: I'm a Ted Nugent fan my self.

Ink,
I am liking your build thread. Keep those pics coming.
Ecosse: Have you ever heard anyone refer to Ted as "Screaming Ted Nugent"? I went to school with this Fool who was always talking about Screamin' Ted Nugent... I recall him asking me: "Hey man, do you like Screamin' Ted Nugent?"... So of course I just looked at him... screamed at the top of my lungs TEEEEEDDDD NUUUGGEENNNTTT!!!!!... and then said, "Yeah, I guess it's sorta fun."

Inkscars · « **Reply #89 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:04:19 AM »

Quote from: Tim in Ohio on March 07, 2009, 08:59:12 AM

Ink,
I am liking your build thread. Keep those pics coming.

Thanks. Hopefully I won't have to take pics of it on fire. She'd better straighten up.

Frankenkit · « **Reply #90 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:25:38 AM »

the best way to 'know' is to make sure the top of your float bowls is exactly even AND parallel with the bottom of the carb, the bowl mating surface. Mine nose up just a little bit (if you're looking at the bank upside down, where the floats settle) but it hasn't been a problem yet. They're even and I measure from the main part of the float body.

oh, just so you know, if you didn't already, carbs are the bane of our collective existence.

DarkRider · « **Reply #91 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:49:58 AM »

All i can say on that one Kit is just be glad you are working on an inline 4 engine. Trying to get the carbs reinstalled on a V4 engine is a total PITA found that one out when my roommate still had his VF. In the end he got rid of it because of the carb issues.

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #92 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:19:13 PM »

Yep, the dreaded carb rebuild/cleaning. If you take the time and are careful with all the parts, it's not all that bad. The worst part for me was getting the damn carbs fitted to the new manifold rubbers. And getting the airbox back on, that wasn't fun either.
Good luck.

Inkscars · « **Reply #93 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:34:24 PM »

So, I took the carbs back off and pulled off the floats, checked the needles, cleaned out the bowls a little bit and slapped it all back together. The fuel stopped pouring out of the hoses, but the damn thing still won't run for more than maybe a minute. *sigh* im going to rebuild the petcock and try again. Maybe I have a restriction. I guess ill have to pull the carbs off again. I put new needles in and pulled them all apart in august and cleaned everthing out, but I guess maybe it they could have blocked passages or something.
Oh yea, I pulled the springs out of the forks today and put new oil in, adjusted the front caliper and got rid of the front turn signals. Its getting there.
Wish me luck or lend me some help on the carb problem.

MickeyX · « **Reply #94 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:04:38 PM »

so, after a minute, it just shuts off? how does it run during that time? can you crank on the throttle or does it bog down? my first thought is that you are starved for gas after the initial amount is used. can you tell if you have enough gas running through the line? I may have missed this but have you pulled your in-tank filter and cleaned it, yet? have you checked your plugs? you may have really saturated them from all of the overflow. how old are your gas lines. if you have a crack, it can allow air to seap in and overflow your carbs. (i had that happen to a suzuki i had one time, but that one was vacuum fed) I think you've already changed out your air filter too, so it should be breathing ok. Hmmmm.... other than rechecking that you got all the passages clean...

i'm sure the guys will have a ton of other things to check too. there are so many things that can go wrong... and Kit has had most of them.

Industrial Cafe · « **Reply #95 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:20:39 PM »

she's running an early tank, so- no in tank filter, just a screen in the petcock.

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #96 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:14:50 PM »

Did you pull and clean your jets?

Frankenkit · « **Reply #97 on:** March 08, 2009, 07:31:32 PM »

A 78, eh? does it have a throttle pump? If that's the case, is it running off whatever you use to 'tickle' it with, then running out? If that's the case the float level might be off...

Hush · « **Reply #98 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:53:08 AM »

This may sound a bit strange Inky but did you put the floats in upside down?

Hey don't laugh, many very experienced, sage and good looking owners have done this....just don't ask how I know OK!

For some reason Honda floats look right when they are in fact wrong, the floats don't actually hang down into the bowl like other makes of bikes, they kinda sit up at the height of the top of the bowl.
(did any of that make sense)?
Oh yeah and another thing you may have done that er someone I know did in error....the wee spring that fits in the accelerator pump (if 750's have this), if you put that on the wrong side of the rubber diaphram your bike wont start too well either...er or so I'm told.

One of the first things I did (right) on my bike was replace the wee crosshead screws on the carbs with allen key screws, makes fitting the bowls in place a piece of pie, rather than fiddling around with a stubby screw driver you can bolt/unbolt them in minutes with a hex key.

Inkscars · « **Reply #99 on:** March 09, 2009, 05:50:03 AM »

That makes sense because when we pulled the carbs off he exclaimed " those floats are upside down!"
I expressed that that was not correct but he didn't believe me because normal ones hang into the bowl blah blah blah.

Quote from: Hush on March 09, 2009, 02:53:08 AM

Oh yeah and another thing you may have done that er someone I know did in error....the wee spring that fits in the accelerator pump (if 750's have this), if you put that on the wrong side of the rubber diaphram your bike wont start too well either...er or so I'm told.

This could be a problem. Ok so tonight, I am pulling the carbs BACK off, flipping the floats BACK, and measuring AGAIN.
The only thing that was not covered by any of you if why it woulda been dumping fuel out.
The way it was before the floats were flipped, the 2 carbs in the middle, (accel pump carb, and the one next to it.) were almost right (14 on one 14.5 on the other)
and the outer ones, one was at 13 mm and the other was at almost 17 mm.
I don't know if this bike wouldn't have run on only 2 getting fuel, I don't know why it was dumping gas, I don't know why my plugs aren't fouling. It's freaking 40 degrees here today and I'm working from 7am to 6 pm so By the time I get off work i dunno if i'm gonna work on it. I'm thinking I'll pull em off and bring em to work with me tomorrow and go through them again.
Kit and Mickey; i don't have an in tank filter cause i'm running an older tank, my bike/engine is a 77, and I don't know about a throttle pump actually.
Dookie I did pull and clean the jets, but it was in august, since then, i was not ready to start riding, so i hadn't started it since i started the rebuild.
I'm going to check into the spring the accel pump. Which side of the rubber does the spring go? This more than likely is SOME of my issue

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Author Topic: My project thus far. "Elsa" (Read 84496 times)