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CB750K5 Timing Issue
« on: March 15, 2009, 03:49:05 PM »
Anyone know why I can't bring the timing for the 1-4 bank in? The points plate just doesn;t adjust far enough to get the marks lined up where they need to be??? Do those timing advance gear's really wear out and cause this porblem? I just the gear and it seemed to work but I don;t know what a good one looks like to compare it to.??? Anyone have any commments or ideas??? Thanks

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2009, 03:55:22 PM »
Anyone know why I can't bring the timing for the 1-4 bank in? The points plate just doesn;t adjust far enough to get the marks lined up where they need to be??? Do those timing advance gear's really wear out and cause this porblem? I just the gear and it seemed to work but I don;t know what a good one looks like to compare it to.??? Anyone have any commments or ideas??? Thanks

Start by setting the gap to .014" when the points are on the top of the cam. If this still won't let you get in range, make sure the faces of the contacts are parallel to each other, by bending the grounded side a bit to line them up. Then set to .014" and try again.

There are some Chinese-made points out there (real cheap, about $5 per set) that have too long of a rubbing block arm. I know this because I have a set in my bike now. The smallest gap I can use on them is .016", with the points plate turned all the way up against the stop. This gap is too wide for high-RPM use, but eventually it will wear down to where I can set it to .014". However, with the transistorized ignition also on my bike, it's gonna take a LONG time...
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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 04:48:43 PM »
I bet you could speed that up if you didn't lube the advancer cam, Mark......
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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 09:45:03 PM »
Just for further background on the principles involved, keep in mind that, unlike a car distributor/points setup, the timing on a SOHC changes with point gap.  In fact, there are usually three ways to change timing:  entire backing plate, backing plate for each set of points, and point gap.  The trick is to juggle all three so that the point gaps are approximately at spec and timing is at spec also.  If you're at the limts with the backing plates, then put the backing plates mid-range, and time with point gap.  If the points are in good shape, the gap after you time should be close to spec.  If not, then you can fiddle with the backing plates to help out the gap problem.

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 09:33:19 PM »
I bet you could speed that up if you didn't lube the advancer cam, Mark......

That probably would have worked. Now they are soaked up with grease.  :-\
I'd really like to find a set of Hitachi points new, then I'd drill them and never have to change them again!  :D
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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 09:44:30 PM »
Anyone know why I can't bring the timing for the 1-4 bank in? The points plate just doesn;t adjust far enough to get the marks lined up where they need to be??? Do those timing advance gear's really wear out and cause this porblem? I just the gear and it seemed to work but I don;t know what a good one looks like to compare it to.??? Anyone have any commments or ideas??? Thanks

You could check the FAQ...

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 05:49:38 AM »
Anyone know why I can't bring the timing for the 1-4 bank in? The points plate just doesn;t adjust far enough to get the marks lined up where they need to be??? Do those timing advance gear's really wear out and cause this porblem? I just the gear and it seemed to work but I don;t know what a good one looks like to compare it to.??? Anyone have any commments or ideas??? Thanks

You could check the FAQ...

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TT, on a related note, would  spark advancer mounting contribute to this same condition? Seems like
there's some "slop" in the advancer before it's tightned up to the crankshaft. Least on my 550 it's like that. Like the little locating peg can move slightly in the locating hole in the crank, making it possible to install the adv. unit in an advancced or retarded condition.(?) Sorry, I know this was a 750 question...

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 10:05:02 AM »

TT, on a related note, would  spark advancer mounting contribute to this same condition? Seems like
there's some "slop" in the advancer before it's tightned up to the crankshaft. Least on my 550 it's like that. Like the little locating peg can move slightly in the locating hole in the crank, making it possible to install the adv. unit in an advancced or retarded condition.(?) Sorry, I know this was a 750 question...

If you are talking about the bob weights on the advancer being loose, no I don't think so.   The weight movement would have to be so severe that actual cam rotation position on the advancer shaft would have to vary or shift.  If the cam sleeve is way loose on the advancer shaft, so that it can shift laterally, then yes.   However, these problems would cause issues on both sets of points, not just one set.  Although I suppose if the spring on one set of points was stronger than the other, then that would vary the lateral position of a loose point cam on the advancer shaft at a rate relative the the spring tension. But, I think that's reaching a bit.

If you are talking about advancer mounting precisely onto the crank, not registering in the locating hole precisely, I suppose it could make a degree, maybe two difference.  It would still effect both point sets, though.

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 03:02:04 PM »

If you are talking about advancer mounting precisely onto the crank, not registering in the locating hole precisely, I suppose it could make a degree, maybe two difference.  It would still effect both point sets, though.

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That's what I was wondering about, thanks. After re reading your earlier post concerning the plate position, Things make a little more sense. I always figured if it wouldn't time correctly, the rubbing blocks were worn down to the extent where the points were "done" and needed replacing.

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Re: CB750K5 Timing Issue
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 03:25:32 PM »
I always figured if it wouldn't time correctly, the rubbing blocks were worn down to the extent where the points were "done" and needed replacing.

Rubbing block wear certainly can effect the timing adjustment range.  However, I have also seen new plates and points be "out of range" due to poor main plate fit into the motor's mounting lands.  Main plate lax diameter sizing tolerances seems to be the culprit on those.

On used points, if you can't get the points into adjustment range with the appropriate shims on the main plate, then new points are in order.

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