Author Topic: The Strait Pipes Debate (Read 11283 times)

upperlake04 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:31:41 PM »

Has anyone seen Eldar?

cafe750 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:32:30 PM »

Quote from: fdbrat on March 19, 2009, 05:07:45 PM

Yeah it is talking about V8's

Yet an engine all work on the same simple principles.

Man you socalled experts only talk kindly to thoughs who do not have a clue. Not their fault, they just dont have the godly insight you do.
Seems kind words are only shared with them, cause it makes you feel good. Happy people say and act happy. Un happy people are negative and depressed. Wow I bet all #$%* talkers have lots of friends.

Try friendship as a hobby. hahahahahaha Have fun being miserble. Im stoked. I went to school and had many inteligent conversations with others.

I bet your father told you you werent good enough. Did he call you names?
oH dear find somthing better to do with your time.

To thoughs who have good input please just ignore the smart people.

I guess to better see where you are coming from, what are your credentials in this world?

Yes, all engines work on the same principles, have you ever taken the time to learn said principles?
There are things that work on 8's, that wont with a small four, and vice versa. 'Specially since we're working with two completely different induction systems, different sets of power pulses, and different exhaust pulses...
Oh ye, with the closed mind....

fdbrat · « **Reply #52 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:46:25 PM »

Why am I to answer questions. This is an open debate. Why or why not is a straiGHt pipe is best.

The reason I started this thread bud is to ask thoughs with opinions and those with facts, to state that their comment is one or the other.

Ok how about this for an answer.

Granny driver:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Daily Driver:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Joe kid street racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Full on Track Racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Drag Bike Racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe

If some restriction, how much in ratio to the amount of CC's

How short, How long?

fdbrat · « **Reply #53 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:50:40 PM »

My credentials. Oh dear what ever shall I say. #$%* did I try stating a fact. No I seem to be answering lame questions. Im pretty shure i have asked questions.

ChevelleSSLS6 How much restriction is going to rob an engine of power.

cafe750 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:55:21 PM »

There is no set ratio of cc's to backpressure...Is there a smiley for banging my head on a wall?

mlinder · « **Reply #55 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:55:40 PM »

Quote from: fdbrat on March 19, 2009, 05:46:25 PM

Why am I to answer questions. This is an open debate. Why or why not is a straiGHt pipe is best.

The reason I started this thread bud is to ask thoughs with opinions and those with facts, to state that their comment is one or the other.

BEST AT WHAT, FOR CHRISSAKE!

Quote

Ok how about this for an answer.

Granny driver:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Daily Driver:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Joe kid street racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Full on Track Racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe
Drag Bike Racer:straiGHt pipe or no straiGHt pipe

If some restriction, how much in ratio to the amount of CC's

How short, How long?

Jesus, finally, kinda.
Now I get it. You want a full list of the best exhaust design for every kind of application for every kind of bike.
Like I said before, no one is going to write 200 pages here outlining all of that for you.
This is like asking someone to expound on relationships and differences of quantum mechanics and relativity.

fdbrat · « **Reply #56 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:06:33 PM »

Wow. So you say it is im possible to write a good answer. Ok let simplify

Short pipe= best torqe an HPat what RPM
Medium Pipe=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Long Pipe=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Small Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Medium Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Large Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

heffay · « **Reply #57 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:08:36 PM »

I say F da brat!

Gordon · « **Reply #58 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:11:50 PM »

Put down the bottle, Heffay...

mlinder · « **Reply #59 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:12:27 PM »

Quote from: fdbrat on March 19, 2009, 06:06:33 PM

Wow. So you say it is im possible to write a good answer. Ok let simplify

Short pipe= best torqe an HPat what RPM
Medium Pipe=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Long Pipe=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Small Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Medium Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

Large Diameter=best torqe an HPat what RPM

It simply doesn't work that way, man.
It depends on the bike.
You determine length of pipe by deciding where you want to make power. Also, the number of bends, and angle of bends affects this. Doing this, though, you must use a cam that compliments this.
There are so many things that go along with this. I'm sorry, there's just no short simple answer.

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:14:45 PM »

Lets ask George Strait how his pipes work !!
BTW...in English the spelling is 'Straight'....

rachet · « **Reply #61 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:55:54 PM »

My credentials? I know what I know, but I don't know what I don't know, unless I don't know that I know it... Then I really do know it, but don't know that I know it to know that I know it...

With that, I say go with Straight pipes! 'cause I hear getting the bends* is a #$%*!

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness

Rachet~

fdbrat · « **Reply #62 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:28:59 PM »

Most engines in California are put through so many restrictions. And because of this there is a loss of power.

Stock engine, pods, and what type of exhaust in combonation with what size jet.

Lets say n engine Like mine. Cb550

mlinder, what pipe setup is best for low to mid range? An open pipe right after the pipes come together. Say 4-1. Should the pipe be short med long. And what Diameter?

as for my smart mouth. Dude I'm on here in search of performance. So it is common courtesy to return rude remarks.

Any one who has been polite to me receives the same gesture. Read the whole thread to get the big picture. And if you do read the whole thread, you probably wont learn much. There is to much ENGLISH class here instead of mechanics.

Did I say strait pipes, I meant to say gay pipes.

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:41:11 PM »

Hey, fdbrat, do you own a motorcycle ?

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #64 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:02:46 PM »

Do you own a motorcycle ?

rachet · « **Reply #65 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:03:59 PM »

? what happened to Andy's post?

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:07:02 PM »

Poster is gone away. I would like the serial no. of your bike..just 'cos.

mlinder · « **Reply #67 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:08:40 PM »

fdbrat, I have the crap somewhere that has the math for pipe length for RPM.
I'll find it.

As far as design, 4 into 1 done CORRECTLY should yield the best performance.
Since the shape of a bike, and how the exhaust needs to be run, affects where collecters should go and how many bends you have, and to what degrees, building the best 4 into 1 can be .... problematic.

4 into 2 can also work to help with scavenging, if the correct cylinders are paired.

Since bikes do have weird, sometimes bad, mount points for exhaust, I think 4 into 4 may be the best compromise nfor getting the most performance, but at the end of the day, they weigh more, and use more paterial (thus probably more expensive).

I'll look for the crap that lays out optimum length, distance between headers and first collecter, and first collector to second collector for you, and assume you are going with stock 550 cam, and no other mods other than intake.
Oh, and Pods are not best for performance, in my opinion. Either use velocity stacks or stock airbox and a good filter. The airboxes are well designed on these bikes.

I'm going out to meet a girl for a drink right now, so don't expect an answer til tomorrow.

rachet · « **Reply #68 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:09:07 PM »

Andy wasn't the poster, but he had a post up here two minutes ago and now it's gone. Just weird.

alltherightpills · « **Reply #69 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:24:44 AM »

Quote from: Spanner 1 on March 19, 2009, 07:41:11 PM

Hey, fdbrat, do you own a motorcycle ?

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=48031

andy750 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:11:02 AM »

Quote from: rachet on March 19, 2009, 08:09:07 PM

Andy wasn't the poster, but he had a post up here two minutes ago and now it's gone. Just weird.

I deleted it.

cheers
Andy

fdbrat · « **Reply #71 on:** March 20, 2009, 10:11:18 AM »

I do have an old Searsand Rowebucks Bike, 26 in rims. hahaha. Joke. Spanner I do have a bike alltherightpills posted for me, Thanx.

Mlinder Thanx for look for material. It is my belief my Bike is Stock. Pipes are stock 4-1 off to the right.

Just average bends. And the Muffler is gone, but I did put an exhaust tip on it to lengthen it a bit.

Did you have a good night Mlinder?

mlinder · « **Reply #72 on:** March 20, 2009, 10:21:34 AM »

fdbrat, the date was good, but I haven't had time to look for the stuff, as I'm at work now, and had a household emergency this morning before work.
I will find it soon as I can.

But, I'd like you to notice how much easier it is to give you information when you give us specifics. Needed to know that it was a 550, that you are running pods, and that your engine is otherwise stock. This information is critical to getting answers, and being rude or obnoxious to people who are asking for this information, to help you, doesn't work very well.

fdbrat · « **Reply #73 on:** March 20, 2009, 10:25:31 AM »

Mlinder you have been totally cool. And I thank you.

754 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 20, 2009, 09:17:54 PM »

Your Sears bike with 26s means tire size, rims are more like 22 1/2 on fat tired.... just telling ya..

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Author Topic: The Strait Pipes Debate (Read 11283 times)

upperlake04