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Re: Dangers of Global Warming.
« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2009, 05:31:23 PM »
Well first, it isn't Lloyd that asked.  Second, I don't believe we talking MPG.  We're talking emissions.

And before anyone makes a comment about where I believe electricity comes from, let me say that I'd like to think that when electric motorcycles become a reality, so will solar and windmills.
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« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »
Well first, it isn't Lloyd that asked.  Second, I don't believe we talking MPG.  We're talking emissions.

And before anyone makes a comment about where I believe electricity comes from, let me say that I'd like to think that when electric motorcycles become a reality, so will solar and windmills.
My apologies to Lloyd. I would say MPG is a fairly large componemt to effiecnt use of resources. Electric motors have amazing torque off the line, we would need some synthesized motor sounds to round out the experience.
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« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2009, 06:01:39 PM »
Windmills already are a reality. There are hundreds of them throughout West Texas and the state is bidding for a public/private partnership to put hundreds more out in the Gulf of Mexico. Visit Sweetwater (west of Abilene) or Snyder (south of Lubbock) and you will see them everywhere. You can already choose here outside of Austin to have your electricity delivery from a company that produces energy only from renewable fuels, mostly wind. You can't choose that company in Austin because the electric utility is municipally owned and prevents competition within the city limits. But even Austin gets some of its energy from wind power.

And I bought some parts from a guy in December who had converted a 1984 Honda Interceptor to run on a battery. I rode it. It's very quick and does more than 60. But it only goes three miles on a charge. Batteries still need work.

We need to build the next generation of wind generators. We need better batteries that will allow cars to travel long distances between charges. The future is converging on us. We just need to help it along. Everyone will benefit.
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« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2009, 10:40:07 PM »
About 20 years ago I was ready to put up a windmill in my back yard to offset power consumption from the grid and thereby reduce my "carbon footprint" (catchy phrase, ain't it?). 
Fortunately, I checked beforehand and found out there was a town ordinance that disallowed them on private property.  The ordinance is still in place.

I investigated why this was the case.
The State of California taxes electrical consumption.  If I generate my own power, it "cheats" the state and, indirectly, the locals out of my regular energy bill payments kicked back from the state.  I can't see that our government wants individual self sufficiency, or cares much about energy expenditures/costs, as long as they have control over it and get their tax money percentage, from their cash cow residents.

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California has three major sites for wind farms.
"The Altamont wind resource area is one of three primary regions, the others being Tehachapi and San Gorgonio. Together these three areas account for nearly 95 percent of all commercial wind power generation in California, and approximately 11 percent of the world’s wind-generated electricity. In 2004, wind energy in California produced 4,258 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, about 1.5 percent of the state's total electricity. That's more than enough to light a city the size of San Francisco.

But, the spinning blades kill birds.  "As a result of these bird fatalities, controversy developed between wind energy proponents and environmentalists."...  " A September 2005 decision by the Alameda County Board of Supervisors passed a plan currently being implemented, to protect birds in the Altamont Pass, requiring that half the turbines be shut down each year in November and December, and the other half shut down in January and February."
Quoted excerpts from:  http://www.eoearth.org/article/Altamont_Pass,_California

From this, do I then believe environmentalists are far more worried about saving bird population than the human race from global warming?

I thought you might like to see one of these farms. They are quite a sight in person, and I've flown over the Altamont farm many times but haven't taken any pictures. Here is the caption for the picture below:
The majority of the San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm as viewed from the San Jacinto Mountains to the south. (The farm continues over the hills to the north along California State Route 62 and is not visible from this vantage point).

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« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2009, 10:57:09 PM »
I'll have to refresh my memory but I also recall recently some environmentalists were voicing disapproval over the power lines leading (at least part way?) from the 'farms to the cities.

And on the right (Left) coast Ol' Teddy didn't want wind mills off the coast of his property.

If I'm up to later it I'll check the facts of the story. Sleepy time now.
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Re: Dangers of Global Warming.
« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2009, 06:46:22 AM »
I'm not even gonna be the slightest bit interested in this global warming palaver until some bright spark scientist categorically tells us the real reason why, if at all, it's happening: too many effing people on this earth.
When governments and communities begin to dissuade couples wanting more than 2 kids, then I'll be more accommodating to all the "green" ideas and suggestions wafting around the news and other holier than thou media.
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Re: Dangers of Global Warming.
« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2009, 06:51:20 AM »
Divorce damages environment!

Additional households means increased demand for electricity and water, study says..

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« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2009, 07:42:11 AM »

I investigated why this was the case.
The State of California taxes electrical consumption.  If I generate my own power, it "cheats" the state and, indirectly, the locals out of my regular energy bill payments kicked back from the state.  I can't see that our government wants individual self sufficiency, or cares much about energy expenditures/costs, as long as they have control over it and get their tax money percentage, from their cash cow residents.


I think LLoyd brings up a very good point that goes beyond alternative energy. Governments speak out of both sides of their mouth.

If you would like to stop smoking an Nicotine Patch or Gum is taxed like Tobacco, so  abox of gum or patches cost the same as a carton of cigarettes.. So a you would imagine that you would make the alternatives alot cheaper to induce people to use them.

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« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2009, 12:11:50 PM »
Yeah

I can remember that ice warning from the 70's as well ;)
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« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2009, 12:42:41 PM »
This photo says nothing about the cause, but it does look like something's happening....


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« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2009, 12:47:59 PM »
And this photo just plain rocks!



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« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2009, 01:04:42 PM »
You know if we could get rid of the pollution and I could breath properly I wouldn't mind it getting warmer, now what it would do for you guys that don't believe there is a problem I don't know, but I'm alright Jack.
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« Reply #112 on: March 30, 2009, 04:19:47 AM »
Some one mentioned a big volcanic eruption that blackened the earths skies, that would be lake Taupo in the centre of the North Island of New Zealand.
We are so green here we shut down our dirty polluting coal powered power stations and what did we do with all that left over coal?
Shipped it to China of course so they could burn our dirty polluting coal making cheap plastic scooters for my Jaffa to ride to work on instead of pulling out the 4 litre Ford to take to work. ;D
The government here thought they could make some easy money on the "Global Warming" scary bandwagon, they tried to tax the farmers a "fart tax" yep they figured out that the average cow farts x amount of methane a day then multiplied that by the amount of cows the farmer had and came up with a $ figure that the farmer had to pay.
Now who would the government give this money to I wonder?
Mother Earth as a token of our sorrow at ruining a perfectly good planet!
God, for destroying his gift to mankind!
Scientists to help fix the damage done!
No surprising as it may seem all that money was going into the bottomless general fund to be used for Government junkets to far away places on pollution causing jets by self centred politicians and their undeserving families. >:(
So the farmers wisely gave the government the two fingered salute and the government retreated to find an easier target, motorists....who now pay 46% tax on all petroleum products used.
So I'm more concerned by how the big bad Global Warming bogey will affect my SOHC bikes carburation, I mean with more carbon in the air and warmer temperatures, should I raise or lower my main jet needles?
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #113 on: March 30, 2009, 04:36:46 AM »
Totally different in Australia, we get paid a subsidy to encourage us to install solar hot water systems, we get a rebate for insulating our homes and if we generate our own power with solar panels it can be wired into our electricity meters { and the solar system is heavily subsidized}, the power we produce comes off the bill, if you produce enough to completely cover the bill, {and that is pretty easy to do} then you get no bill and receive payment for excess power produced. So not all countries are using "global warming" as a way to make money.

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« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2009, 05:41:29 PM »
Totally different in Australia, we get paid a subsidy to encourage us to install solar hot water systems, we get a rebate for insulating our homes and if we generate our own power with solar panels it can be wired into our electricity meters { and the solar system is heavily subsidized}, the power we produce comes off the bill, if you produce enough to completely cover the bill, {and that is pretty easy to do} then you get no bill and receive payment for excess power produced. So not all countries are using "global warming" as a way to make money.

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We have similar plans here in California.  You only qualify for rebates or tax credits if the solar/insulations are done by state approved contractors.  You can only sell back power (at a fraction of what the buy rate is), IF you have approved grid attach equipment (they specify the brand/ manufacturer), and the installation has to be done by a state licensed contractor (can't do it yourself to save costs).

It sounds like a magnanimous incentive, and the broadcast media presents it that way.  But, when you check into it and work out a balance sheet, the rebate or tax credits are a fraction of what the state and county collects in taxes and permit fees to the homeowner.  And, of course the state collects contractor licensing fees and income tax revenue for the employees who work the job site.  The payback period works out to about the same as the estimated life of the solar panels.  Which then have to be replaced, resetting the amortization schedule.
Isn't it a coincidence how that works out?   ;)

A further snag is the power buyback scheme:
"At the end of the year, the customer gets one bill, with all the debits and credits tallied up. Though the law says the bill can never end up in the negative, with PG&E owing the customer money, it can equal zero...

But as a compromise to the utility companies, the law also has a cap. When enough photovoltaic systems have been installed that the total capacity reaches 0.5 percent of each utility company's peak demand, then the utilities no longer have to provide net metering to people or businesses who install new systems.
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« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2009, 11:57:16 PM »
And that Retro would be the reason my beautiful intelligent daughter has just moved permanently over to Brisbane.
Aussie is much better set up to recover from the recession than Kiwiland, something to do with mineral wealth. :D
We on the other hand are still forking out billions to tribal authorities as recompense for alledged historical wrongs duh! no slow down in the old Treaty of Waitangi gravy train, recession or no recession.
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« Reply #116 on: March 31, 2009, 03:36:37 AM »
I understand your anguish Hush, didn't the Maori wipe out the original habitants a couple of hundred years earlier, and now they are being compensated?. I holiday in NZ every couple of years, my wife is from Rotarua, and i think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth, very diverse landscapes.

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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2009, 05:34:44 AM »
Retro, over here in the cold northern hemisphere I regard all those brochures/offers from companies that want to install a solar power system on my roof with dire suspicion. Mostly because we get maybe 100 days of sunshine in the whole year (and that's being generous). So I don't really know if those systems actually work, and I don't think I've actually met anyone up here that has such a thing. All I know is that someone calculated that here in the UK it would 15 years in  energy savings to return the initial outlay. That is not what I would call a good business proposition!
How well to they work in in you part of the world??

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« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2009, 06:08:34 AM »
Hi Rhos, we would have 300+ days of sunshine over here {Brisbane} and solar systems have been in use for 30 to 40 years especially in the outback because it is so remote. We get very generous rebates at the moment, depending on what size system you buy you can get back up to 50% in rebates, more in some cases. Solar hot water systems are now compulsory with new homes built in South East Queensland and are rebated as well. All sorts of new technology is being used now like wind farms, solar, wave generators, coal gas and hot rocks. The wave generators sit just off the coast were we have very strong currents, not very far offshore. The hot rocks is interesting because they drill a series of shafts into volcanic "hot rock" and force water down the hole and the super heated rock instantly turns it into steam and it is forced up the other shafts under pressure where it runs turbines, all in a sealed system so the water is recycled back down the first shaft, pretty cool eh.. ;D

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Re: Dangers of Global Warming.
« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2009, 09:10:50 AM »
Fantastic.

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We got plenty.

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« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2009, 10:39:02 AM »
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« Reply #121 on: April 06, 2009, 09:20:51 PM »
I think LLoyd brings up a very good point that goes beyond alternative energy. Governments speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Dang. And I thought they had more than one mouth...
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« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2009, 11:29:04 AM »
I think LLoyd brings up a very good point that goes beyond alternative energy. Governments speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Dang. And I thought they had more than one mouth...
Actually you are correct. Since they have two faces, they would have two mouths. Nice catch Mark.
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« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2009, 06:25:18 PM »
I think LLoyd brings up a very good point that goes beyond alternative energy. Governments speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Dang. And I thought they had more than one mouth...
Actually you are correct. Since they have two faces, they would have two mouths. Nice catch Mark.

Ah, that must be it!

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« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2009, 06:57:23 PM »
I think LLoyd brings up a very good point that goes beyond alternative energy. Governments speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Dang. And I thought they had more than one mouth...
Actually you are correct. Since they have two faces, they would have two mouths. Nice catch Mark.

Ah, that must be it!

And, some are Hydras...

I like it!  Including the snake reference!

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