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It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« on: March 22, 2009, 07:58:35 AM »
So, life was going fine. I was doing good. I'm okay, you're okay, that whole thing... then I meet Kit's bike.  :o It was sitting in a barn where she used to live, in pieces, all dirty, lonely, no one but Kit to love her. As I came to find out, Kit had never ridden or worked on a motorcycle before, didn't have much spare $$ to put into it but was very determined to finish it, one way or another. Over the course of the last 2 yrs, being the enabler that I am, I do what I can to help her accomplish her task. Fast forward to last week, when we took her bike over to mlinder and the gang to finish her up and they synched the carbs. I've ridden that bike last summer and fall a bit, here and there when she would stay running, but she wasn't quite right. I still thought it was a pretty nice ride considering it is almost 30yrs old and all. Now that Delilah's feeling like she should, I took her for a spin last week with everything tuned so well. I knew I was sunk.  ::) What a cool ride that was!! So what did I do?...


I started looking seriously through craigslist for a little project of my own.  ::) ;D I was thinking smaller though, like a 350... wasn't finding anything that really caught my eye in our price range. Then yesterday, off visiting some friends a few hrs away, I spot online what would end up being my project. Kit got all excited and called the man to get some more details. When it was all said and done, she told him to hold the bike, we would be there in 2 hrs to look at it. Here are the craigslist pics. I will be getting some more detailed ones today when I go back with a trailer to pick it up. $475. We didn't haggle. The guy looks as broke as a church mouse and just had part of his house burned down when his neighbor's entire house burned to the ground. His neighbor (buddy) got burned pretty bad, has MS and couldn't get out quickly enough, so this guy's pretty shook up right now. He lost another bike (750), part of his own garage and living room. Prolly needs the $$ real bad right now so we are doing our part to help out a fellow SOHC4 rider. All in all, I think we both get a decent deal.





At this point, it looks like it will be a rebuild. If we come upon something really bad, say in the engine, Kit will take off what she wants and we will simply part it out. I hope we don't have to go that route though. It really looks like it has potential.

At first glance, it's got some dings in the top of the tank but prolly can be pulled out. They aren't creased. Will put in a new in-tank filter. Petcock seems good. (have spare o-ring) The inside of the tank looks great. No rust as far as we could tell.  ;D
Oil down the front of the engine, around the headers... will have to look closer to find out what is going on there. Will definitely need gaskets but wondering about valve seals, etc.
Carbs need cleaned (and cleaned, and cleaned, and cleaned) but we all know that one is a given.
Tires have good tread but that kind are total crap in the rain and with all the rain we get here in the Portland area, they will be changed.
It will need a new headlight bucket and brackets. It's dinged up pretty well.
The faces of the speedo/tach are warped.
Cover over fuses at handlebar is missing. We think we have a spare around though.
The brakes will need done, new lines and replace all cables for throttle, clutch...
The seat was redone but by an amateur, we already have a guy that did Kits seat that will get this one as well.
4-into-4 pipes and still in good condition.  8) No rust seen, just dirty.
Needs new handgrips. I have no idea how that guy was holding on or giving throttle... they totally twist in your hands like they don't fit or something. Will be easy to remove though. :D
Maybe replace the turn signal,starter button plastics on the bars since they are weather cracked. Fork seals need redone.
Need new turn signal arm (have a spare already)
Need new brake light red plastic (have a spare)
Airbox chrome covers missing (have spares)
New plugs and wires.
It tries to start, good strong starter and battery, but won't kick over. Then we saw the carb boots were there but not sealed to the carb. Just "nearby"... I'll have to hook those up to wash him down.

I'll get him home, use some Honda brite on him to remove what crud I can, then roll him into the garage. Tuck some carboard diaper under him and, if I have the time, start to pull plugs and whatnot to see where we go from here.

I'm trying to decide if he stays mostly factory like Kit's or we go in a diff direction with this one. Once I get him home, start pulling off parts, looking deep into the belly, I'll decide then if I rat it, cafe it or whatever. Much of it depends on what kind of shape things are in. I remember a sweet cafe someone posted that had a unique taillight setup built into the cafe seat. There was a really great straight on, rear view looking right up the tail. I'd love to do that. We'll play with photoshop to see if this style would even look good as a cafe with the swooping, molded seat instead of flat.

Oh, and Kit has already named him... Samson;D

Start of build pics to come when I pick him up later this morning.
This will be a slow build, little at a time, no need to rush since we both have running bikes.
I think I need a nap first.  :D
« Last Edit: March 22, 2009, 09:50:22 AM by MickeyX »
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 09:19:47 AM »
Yay :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2009, 09:48:34 AM »
Thanks.  ;D

I think.  ;)
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2009, 09:58:01 AM »
Aw too easy, you know all the pitfalls of the 650. ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 10:05:58 AM »
One would assume that to be true since Kit is very thorough at pitfalls. I'm thinking we will get an education on this one too.  ;D

Good thing... the charging seems strong.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2009, 01:18:01 PM by MickeyX »
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2009, 10:41:22 AM »
They yay was not facetious.
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2009, 12:40:17 PM »
She's really laying it on heavy that she's not sure about it, but what's not to love? It's a Honda AND a 650! ;D
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2009, 01:19:30 PM »
It's home!!  ;D

Off to take pics and clean him up with some Honnnnnnda brite. Then into the garage with a diaper under him. What can I say, some men just dribble. :D
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2009, 06:51:35 PM »
okay....you had a few hours....where are the pictures.....???????    ;D ;D
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2009, 09:40:56 PM »
I'm window shopping and need to know where we can get a couple stainless steel brake pistons ???
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2009, 09:55:08 PM »
Cool..
 shoulda grabbed the burnt 750 if it was cheap..
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2009, 10:01:18 PM »
PICTURES..........?????????????????????
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 06:45:47 AM »
they're still on the camera, and we're off to work. so use your fabulous mind powers, Marti.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2009, 06:55:13 AM »
they're still on the camera, and we're off to work. so use your fabulous mind powers, Marti.

boobs,boobs,boobs.......huh..??? what..???? oh,okay.....bike pic's,bike pic's,boobs,boobs....

guess my fabulous mind couldn't make the switch....so,stop working and get us those pic's...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 12:36:00 PM »
Darn that Kit, look what she started!!  ;D  I picked up a 650 in december and look forward to fixing her up into a cruiser and doing a rebuild thread on it.  Be sure to keep this updated!

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 01:14:41 PM »
I'll try to get the pics on tonight, I promise. I had a lot to do yesterday. The best part was, we both rode Kit's bike after mlinder set the cam chain last night and she's a down right crazy nasty fast and furious cold blooded b!tch. I can't wait to get this one running just like it.  ;D ;D 8)

We are seriously contemplating going in a totally diff direction with this one and not keeping it original since we have already gone that route with Kit's bike. Of course, all of those left over parts can still be spares for Kit's bike so it's a win-win sitch. I'm wondering how it would look as a cafe since the bottom of the seat isn't straight? Any one ever see this year cafe'd? Maybe I'll go the route of Marti's, just not the total iron butt version.  :o I hesistate only because my Harley is already that style and I'd like something really diff if I'm gonna mess with it that much.

Yes Marti.... bike pics, bike pics, bikes pics, boobs, boobs, bike pics, bike pics... oh eff it. boobs, boobs, boobs... I like that better anyway.  ;) ;D
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 01:17:10 PM »
You guys need to rat it out.
hahaah, strip every piece of finish off him and let it rust.
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Re: It's all Kit's fault - a.k.a. Another 1980 CB650C Resto...
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 01:18:26 PM »
Looks like kit gave you (honda) herpes...it just won't go away!

#$%*, I need to find another 650 for under $500.  All the ones around here are going for 1.5K and up.  I'm sorry, I love the things dearly but anyone who thinks people will pay 2k for a nearly 30 year old bike when they can get a shiny one under 5 years old for the same price is smoking something.  Probably an exhaust pipe.

Edit:  I'm also looking at trying a cafe approach with mine.  I think I'll have to fab up a custom pan, but I'm pretty sure you can get the full cafe look without cutting or rewelding the frame.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 01:26:14 PM »
I'm mostly waiting to see what is causing the oil leak all down over the headers and what condition the carbs and boots are in. Everything else is window dressing. Tonight, we pull tank, seat, carbs and get a little better peek at the engine. We've gotta remove more gunk 1st so we know what goop is new. I love nitrile gloves. I can get bikey at night and go to work at the hospital in the morning. In my former career, I had to just take the gojo in the shower with me. Vacation time was spent letting the dirt and ink work it's way out of my pores and fingerprints.

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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2009, 01:36:04 PM »
Case o' beer says it's the head gasket.  Mine pukes oil as well, though only under compression.  Doesn't leak when just sitting, thank god.
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2009, 05:34:12 PM »
yeah, that would've been my guess, too, but there's oil (same amt, no more, no less) up by the valve adjustment covers and valve cover itself... like the rubber gaskets are either leaking or just not there.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2009, 06:29:35 PM »
Drop the sump Kit/Mickey, I was told my 650 motor was coozed and a leaking fountain of oil.
After dropping the sump and cleaning the scavenge screen (which was varnished closed) and doing oil change my bike has never leaked a drop....PO's who don't maintain should have their wobbly bits removed without anesthetic!
Sounds like you have some top of motor issues too so gaskets probably but bike will run happily with a coozed gasket until you get around to replacing it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2009, 08:07:59 PM »
Tomorrow I'm thinking about taking the seat and gas tank off, looking at coils/igniters... (that should tell a lot 'bout the electrics) lookit the air filter to see what's in there, too.  If it's soaked with oil, it'd tell me something about what's getting blown from the tappet breather in the top end.

So... I'm wondering what order I should do all this in?  Should I pull the exhaust, drain the oil, remove the sump, clean the screen, yadda yadda (because this would show me quite clearly what's going on in the crank case, etc, and I'd know pretty well, then, if this is destined to be a parts bike or not)  or should I clean up the carbs, see if I can get her to burp/fart/try to run, THEN start doing motor stuff?

Obviously I don't want to start it if it doesn't have oil in it.  I also don't really want to put a ton of time and effort into the carbs if the motor's shot (but I guess clean spares would be cool to have...)

So suggestions would be cool.

Still need to know where I can find stainless steel brake pistons... Honda OEM is ok at $76/ea, but being chromed steel, I'm not impressed with their lack of longevity.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2009, 08:26:04 PM »
I figure if we are going to do it, then we may as well do it while stuff is off. It will take a bit of time to have the extra $$ for an engine gasket set and carb rebuild kit anyway. In the meantime, we can take things apart, have a look, clean up on the engine what needs it, evaluate how bad it really is, check the coils, clean the carbs, all for free. If it's cool, that gives us time to tuck away the loot and then while the tank and everything is still off, take care of those leaks. When taking it apart to replace the head gasket, the valves can get checked at the same time. If we do this in the right order and not break the bank all at once, it should be a less stressful build overall. By then, we should have the time to research what type of seat and handlebars it will end up with so we know which direction this will go. Then brakes, tires (prolly another set of Spitfires) and cables. When the tires get done, the chain and sprockets can get evaluated as well as the fork rebuilt. The most important things come first though, checking the engine and carb. If they are toast, the rest doesn't matter and we can stop right there without going into needless debt. We should know pretty quickly once we get in there where we stand.

Not starting tonight though. We've both had a long day at work and just want to veg on the couch.  ;D

I'm glad we are thinking pretty much the same on this, Kit. You're so cute when you get bikey. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2009, 08:43:07 PM »
Looks like kit gave you (honda) herpes...it just won't go away!

#$%*, I need to find another 650 for under $500.  All the ones around here are going for 1.5K and up.  

damn,I gave my second 650 to my brother for nothing.... :o :o :o :o :o
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