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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2009, 07:24:52 AM »
I always push back against the turn signal pole with my right leg.

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2009, 07:47:19 AM »
It is very much technique and less strength. I too (as someone else mentioned) have an FJR1300. Actually not much heavier than a stock CB750K as materials and engineering are far better than back when.

But in both cases, the push down with foot is key. I like to tear these things apart. How can one push down with foot against an immovable object? True there is a rocking motion built into the centerstand. But still....

In order to push down, one must anchor oneself otherwise you would simply go up. So the anchor point is the right hand on the handle. Now, with your weight on your left foot, direct the mind to your right leg, not your back. Push down, shift your weight from left to right (pushing back) and the anchor goes up. Your leg is likely stronger than your back and your arm. The up part is the reaction to the down part.

Of course all the basics must be there, both centerstand feet on the ground, the handhold must be intact, etc. But not much emphasis on the handlebar. Good grip on the left grip. Some like to turn the bars to the left. But if leg technique is correct, the left hand does no work.

One mentioned the trick of a small momentum backwards, only a few feet will do it, then a quick step on the footpad and the bike will leap up onto its stand. Must be careful that the pavement is not slick however, or you might end up on the ground.

All in all though it should not be a struggle. Good luck.

 
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2009, 08:34:03 AM »
It is very much technique and less strength. I too (as someone else mentioned) have an FJR1300. Actually not much heavier than a stock CB750K as materials and engineering are far better than back when.

But in both cases, the push down with foot is key. I like to tear these things apart. How can one push down with foot against an immovable object? True there is a rocking motion built into the centerstand. But still....

In order to push down, one must anchor oneself otherwise you would simply go up. So the anchor point is the right hand on the handle. Now, with your weight on your left foot, direct the mind to your right leg, not your back. Push down, shift your weight from left to right (pushing back) and the anchor goes up. Your leg is likely stronger than your back and your arm. The up part is the reaction to the down part.

Of course all the basics must be there, both centerstand feet on the ground, the handhold must be intact, etc. But not much emphasis on the handlebar. Good grip on the left grip. Some like to turn the bars to the left. But if leg technique is correct, the left hand does no work.

One mentioned the trick of a small momentum backwards, only a few feet will do it, then a quick step on the footpad and the bike will leap up onto its stand. Must be careful that the pavement is not slick however, or you might end up on the ground.

All in all though it should not be a struggle. Good luck.

 

Thats a truly excellent description MC.

Left hand does very little other than balance....you and the bike.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2009, 08:51:57 AM »
I always push back against the turn signal pole with my right leg.

That may help, but that's also a good way to end up with a broken turn signal. Thats a lot of stress on that little stem.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2009, 11:01:36 AM »
I think an important distinction is between pushing on the center stand with your foot and putting all of your weight on it. Somebody earlier mentioned a shovel analogy. That is a good one. You need (or I do anyway) to literally STAND on the centerstand with all of your weight. Just pushing with the force of your leg muscles is not going to get it.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2009, 11:23:07 AM »
I think an important distinction is between pushing on the center stand with your foot and putting all of your weight on it. Somebody earlier mentioned a shovel analogy. That is a good one. You need (or I do anyway) to literally STAND on the centerstand with all of your weight. Just pushing with the force of your leg muscles is not going to get it.
Yes I'd agree with that. I think the "pushing down" idea is as much to diffuse the "lifting up" idea, which is incorrect in my mind.

Often when I'm done with my routine, I'll find that my left foot is off the ground, meaning that i have done as you suggest, put all my weight on the right foot, on the stand pedal.

I'll add that though I said the left hand does little, I personally choose to keep the steering straight as it offers the least resistance to the bike travelling backwards as it levers up.

I remember several rather lengthy threads on this at the FJR forum I'm in, so it is of interest to many, many have a problem with it.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2009, 11:34:18 AM »
Shoulda seen all 140 pounds of me struggle with my GL1000  :D. Oddly enough I have more trouble with the 550... I'll have to take into account some of the tips here, down makes more sense than back.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2009, 11:58:37 AM »
This vid helped me out quite a bit.  At first I was trying to do it while straddling the bike and didn't work out too well.

http://www.ninja250.org/videos/ninja%20250%20center%20stand%20demo.mpg

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2009, 12:10:41 PM »
This vid helped me out quite a bit.  At first I was trying to do it while straddling the bike and didn't work out too well.

http://www.ninja250.org/videos/ninja%20250%20center%20stand%20demo.mpg

Providing a video got me thinking, go to YouTUBE, everything is there. And in fact it is. Just search on "centerstand", the videos really show the tricks along with the explanations.

But I have to include this one of a small girl on a 650 Burgman. My wife owns a 400 Burgman and these are not light motorcycles, dry weight of the 650 is 535lbs, as much as a CB750?  Watching this video really makes a man out of you... or not.


No liftiing at all, and no really "pushing down" either. All weight and technique.

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2009, 12:21:57 PM »
Make sure the bike is in Neutral. The first bit you may be fighting against the motor.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2009, 04:21:53 PM »
My wife owns a 400 Burgman and these are not light motorcycles, dry weight of the 650 is 535lbs, as much as a CB750?  Watching this video really makes a man out of you... or not.


Well, I'm not 100% certain about later models, but I know that on my K0 the step lever on the swingarm is much shorter than the one on that bike, so you don't get as much leverage as she's getting.  That said, the technique is right and the same for more-or-less any bike with a centerstand of this type.

I always put the full weight of my right foot on the lever, so that my whole body weight is on it.  Right hand just gives a tug, left hand is just a guide.  My bike is lowered in the back and has 10" over forks so that adds to the challenge.

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2009, 04:56:04 PM »
My wife owns a 400 Burgman and these are not light motorcycles, dry weight of the 650 is 535lbs, as much as a CB750?  Watching this video really makes a man out of you... or not.


Well, I'm not 100% certain about later models, but I know that on my K0 the step lever on the swingarm is much shorter than the one on that bike, so you don't get as much leverage as she's getting.  That said, the technique is right and the same for more-or-less any bike with a centerstand of this type.

I always put the full weight of my right foot on the lever, so that my whole body weight is on it.  Right hand just gives a tug, left hand is just a guide.  My bike is lowered in the back and has 10" over forks so that adds to the challenge.

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Gotta admit probably not as much engineering time went into our centerstands as the Burgmans, considering the times and the target markets. But, the technique...

I was wondering if that 70s chopper in your avatar was current.
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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2009, 06:04:11 PM »
Gotta admit probably not as much engineering time went into our centerstands as the Burgmans, considering the times and the target markets. But, the technique...

I was wondering if that 70s chopper in your avatar was current.


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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2009, 09:10:56 PM »
I just put it in reverse, get up to speed and drop the stand.   Works every time.

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2009, 07:58:01 PM »
It seems like 35 years ago I had no trouble getting my CB750 onto it center stand. Nowadays it's impossible. I just can't do it. I use a tackle in the garage to pull it up but beyond that I'm lost. Am I just old and feeble now or am I missing something again. Wise cracks will be ignored  ;)

This one helped me:



Nonetheless, sometimes it is easier than others to get the Nighthawk on its center stand.

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Re: Getting the CB750 onto it's center stand
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2009, 08:11:02 PM »
SNIP


Nonetheless, sometimes it is easier than others to get the Nighthawk on its center stand.

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Yes, that's for me too. Sometimes, I'm just not holding my tongue right. If I "assume the position" it pops right up. If I short cut it, its a struggle.
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